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Especially since the papers on labs.getmonero.org and iacr are not updated. However, I don't see how this contradicts anything said in the article. 03:14 -!- blkdb [~blkdb@2a01:4f8:140:1407::2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:15 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:24 -!- blkdb [~blkdb@2a01:4f8:140:1407::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:26 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has left #bitcoin-wizards ["Quitte"] 03:28 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:29 -!- draynium [U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:30 -!- blkdb [~blkdb@2a01:4f8:140:1407::2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:30 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35 -!- metamarc [~cypher@unaffiliated/agorist000] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:40 -!- jtimon [~quassel@231.110.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:41 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:49 -!- blkdb 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the range proof let you counterfeit value? 07:53 < zmanian> Or does it let you exclude outputs from blocks 07:57 < nickler> zmanian: the former. You'd be able to produce outputs with 'negative' amounts. So if you're spending 1 coin you can create an output with any value because the verification equation still holds: 1 - (1 + x - x) = 0. Then you just spend the output with +x. 07:58 < zmanian> That's what I thought 07:58 < zmanian> Would be good to have that in the blog post 08:05 -!- MoALTz [~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:06 -!- binaryFate [~binaryFat@155.94.209.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:07 -!- binaryFate [~binaryFat@2607:ff48:aa81:800::a15f:1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:11 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:15 < Taek> othe: please keep the hostility turned down. Iirc, RingCT has not been deployed yet. If that is the case, it should be simple enough to release a post exlaining that the problem has already been resolved and that there was never a risk of that vuln. making it into production 08:17 < othe> it was deployed an later fixed, at the same time reported to blockstream, then a magical blockstream uh we just found this bug post came out, 2 months later. Also there was zero communication with us, even tho he obviously already had written exploit code. 08:18 -!- afk11 [~afk11@unaffiliated/afk11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:21 -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:23 -!- afk11 [~afk11@176.61.67.182] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:23 -!- afk11 [~afk11@176.61.67.182] has quit [Changing host] 08:23 -!- afk11 [~afk11@unaffiliated/afk11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:27 < othe> am a complete outsider to Monero and especially the Monero development community, --- i also call this bs as he is retweeting monero related stuff since september on his twitter, i am out of this discussion now. 08:32 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:34 < midnightmagic> othe: This isn't the place for that sort of thing. 08:37 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:44 -!- gellertgrindel [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/gellertgrindel] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:45 -!- gellertgrindel [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/gellertgrindel] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:48 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-25-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:55 -!- gellertgrindel [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/gellertgrindel] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 08:57 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:02 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:02 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:06 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:22 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:24 -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hexwalrhndtgioko] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 09:32 -!- jcluck [~cluckj@pool-173-49-237-221.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:33 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@pool-173-49-237-221.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:37 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-185-145.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:42 -!- jcluck is now known as cluckj 09:52 -!- se3000 [~textual@38.125.163.25] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:52 -!- sdfgdsfg [~sdfgsdfg@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01 -!- BonyM1 [~BonyM-I@ua-83-227-211-4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:05 < andytoshi> FYI, when people PM me asking about potential bugs, this is not "reporting to blockstream" and i don't then go tell all of my coworkers. this would not be responsible disclosure 10:16 -!- BonyM1 [~BonyM-I@ua-83-227-211-4.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:26 < kanzure> andytoshi: so you're hoarding? i'm kidding. 10:27 -!- MoALTz [~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:37 -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:38 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dvvxwwmxbfbtsuij] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:39 -!- se3000 [~textual@38.125.163.25] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...] 10:55 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:56 -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 10:57 -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:13 < fluffypony> kanzure: he doesn't have time to write blog posts :) 11:14 < kanzure> i was trying to make a joke about blockstream internals, but w/e 11:18 -!- se3000 [~textual@38.125.163.25] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:18 * fluffypony cuts through the tension with a knife 11:19 < kanzure> ? 11:24 < andytoshi> i think everyone's had a bit of time to calm down, and I don't want to re-start anything, but just for the record: jonas' blog isn't a blockstream thing at all 11:29 < kanzure> would it make sense to soft-fork in predictable fees and then use another PoW lottery for fee prioritization 11:30 < kanzure> or is it important for some other reason that coinbase txouts get reused to fund fees? 11:30 < kanzure> er, i mean s/fee prioritization/transaction prioritization/ 11:37 < Taek> depends on what you mean by predictable fees, but important to remember that there are always channels for paying fees out-of-band, and if the gap is large for how much someone would like to pay vs. how much they are allowed to pay, they will use those out of band channels 11:37 -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:39 < kanzure> Taek: i was thinking about the consequences of small utxos that, for now, seem large (way way above the dust limit) but don't have enough value to pay future fee. 11:39 -!- rusty2 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:40 < kanzure> Taek: if you knew roughly the future fee anyway, then you wouldn't knowingly create small utxos now 11:46 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:47 -!- se3000 [~textual@38.125.163.25] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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