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00:10 < jonasschnelli> Has anyone a feeling about the security of the following scheme? Goal: simple pgp-ish message encryption with secp256k1:
00:10 < jonasschnelli> Encryption: Alice sends bob an encrypted message [e(m) = c]. Alice knows Bobs EC pubkey (k). Alice generate a new private key (P). Alice calculates a shared secret (s) with ECDH(k, P). Alice encrypted the message (m) with a sym-cipher with the key HKDF(s). Alice create a recoverable signature of the encrypted message ecdsa(c). Alice sends sig+c to Bob.
00:10 < jonasschnelli> Decryptiom: Bob extracts Alices pub-key out of the signature (ak). Bob verifies the signatures ecverify(sig, ak). Bob calculates the sym.key HKDF(ECDH(ak, K). Bob decrypts the message.
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04:31 < nsh> .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkeszesC-io
04:31 < yoleaux> Semantics for Physicists - YouTube
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05:45 < danrobinson> jonasschnelli: Why bother verifying the signature after recovering the public key from it? And why bother using a recoverable signature to transmit the public key, rather than just sending the public key itself?
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05:48 < danrobinson> other than that, I think this is similar to ElGamal encryption
05:55 < waxwing> jonasschnelli: is it much different to ECIES? ecies uses encrypt-then-mac (and ofc derives the mac from the same HKDF) but otherwise seems a similar setup?
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07:17 < jonasschnelli> danrobinson: Why bother verifying the signature after recovering the public key from it? <-- for a MAC, sending the pubkey would consume more bytes.
07:17 < jonasschnelli> waxwing: I'm not familiar with ECIES. I was just looking after a solution that works with the current libsecp256k1 API (ECDSA & ECDH).
07:17 < jonasschnelli> waxwing: thanks for pointing out... will read more about ECIES.
07:33 < bsm117532> jonasschnelli: FWIW we are building an "identity" layer on Bitcoin which relies on keys revealed in a (spent) transaction, and the ability to use a txid to indicate which keys I am using, and allow for replacement/revocation of those keys.  The hard part is figuring out what key someone is using.  waxwing is right, once you've figured out a key, ECIES is the "right" way to encrypt content thereafter.
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07:59 < danrobinson> jonasschnelli: Since the pubkey was extracted from the signature and the message, won't verification always succeed?
08:00 < bsm117532> danrobinson: yes.  Well, it's still possible to create an invalid signature.  But generally you need to acquire the pubkey and signature separately for "verification" to be meaningful.
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08:11 < danrobinson> And at any rate how would sending a pubkey consume more bytes? You could send a pubkey (33 bytes) and a MAC (32 bytes) in 65 bytes, same as a recoverable ECDSA sig, yeah?
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08:34 < Taek> New DAG paper by Somplinsky, Lewenburg, and Zohar: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~yoni_sompo/pubs/16/SPECTRE_complete.pdf
08:34 < Taek> And my first pass on the paper: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5jbsny/spectre_a_fast_and_scalable_distributed_ledger/dbfeg66/
08:36 < bsm117532> Eeek 71 pages?!?!?
08:37 < Taek> The meat of it is in the first 36
08:42 < bsm117532> FYI ledgerjournal.org's first issue is in the final stages of copy editing of the accepted papers and will be posted in a ~week or so.
08:42 < bsm117532> I've often thought open peer review is interesting, but no one seems to do it.
08:43 < bsm117532> e.g. Taek there should be a place for you to post your comments, other than that trollhole know as reddit.
08:43 < Taek> I agree I would like a more formal place to post my criticisms
08:44 < Taek> err, reviews I guess
08:44 < bsm117532> I'll bring it up at our next meeting
08:45 < Taek> A heavily moderated forum would be nice. Bonus if all moderations go in a log so people can't complain about being censored.
08:45 < Taek> *public log
08:47 < bsm117532> I know of websites which intend to do this, in other disciplines.  I've never seen one that is actually *used*.
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08:52 < bsm117532> https://medium.com/@avivzohar/the-spectre-protocol-7dbbebb707b5#.zftzdtvu3
08:52 < Taek> maybe it would work better if it were HN-style (iirc HN is open source)
08:52 < Taek> or rather, reddit-style I guess
08:53 < bsm117532> Taek: I agree with some of your criticism.  With a block rate that is much faster than the "size" of the network, you can have a permanent lack of consensus.
08:53 < Taek> because, the vast majority of papers I'm guessing that most people don't care to comment on most of them
08:53 < bsm117532> e.g. it is trivial for an attacker to ensure there is no total ordering to blocks.
08:53 < Taek> but, with an upvote system, you can at least highlight popular papers and get good criticism on those
08:54 < bsm117532> Taek: generally the problem is getting someone to sit down and read a paper carefully.  Drive-by comments based on a shallow reading are of little value.
08:54 < bsm117532> This is why journals choose referees and give them time to craft a thoughtful response.
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09:12 < Taek> What I did in that reddit comment was more or less a drive-by response
09:12 < Taek> Maybe that is a bad thing
09:14 < stevenroose> Are secp256k1 public key sizes fixed? It seems to be 32 or 33 bytes, is this correct?
09:14 < stevenroose> (seems to be compressed too to be this size)
09:14 < stevenroose> Also, I assume signature size is not fixed, correct me please if that's wrong.
09:15 < stevenroose> Seems to be non-trivial to construct ASN.1 primitives for ECDSA with secp256k1 :p But yeah, we Bitcoin wizards don't need no ASN.1! :)
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09:29 < jonasschnelli> stevenroose: secp256k1 compressed pubkey is always 33 bytes.
09:30 < jonasschnelli> compact signatures are always 64bytes.
09:30 < jonasschnelli> Not true for DER encoded signatures (I guess between 71 and 74 bytes)
09:31 < jonasschnelli> stevenroose: compact to DER is not very complicated: https://github.com/digitalbitbox/dbb-app/blob/e7ce27112a4d44ba0b821e84f1178f6590caa6ec/src/bitpaywalletclient/bpwalletclient.cpp#L879
09:32 < jonasschnelli> But you should probably use secp256k1_ecdsa_signature_serialize_der from libsecp256k1 if you can.
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09:40 < stevenroose> jonasschnelli, yeah I know how DER works, but the signature (in general ECDSA, cfr spec) is just a sequence of two integers, so not a fixed length
09:40 < stevenroose> jonasschnelli, are the compact ones also DER-compliant, or is the compaction algorithm something secp256k1 specific?
09:41 < stevenroose> about the pubkey, is it 33 because of DER octet string (1 length + 32 data)? or 33 excl all DER prefixes?
09:42 < stevenroose> I guess that code does kind of the same as https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd/blob/master/btcec/signature.go#L52
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11:09 < jonasschnelli> stevenroose: AFAIK compact pubkeys have nothing to do with DER...
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11:20 < stevenroose> jonasschnelli, might be true. ASN.1 specifies an ECDSA pubkey as combination of ECParameters and an ECPoint, which is encoded as an OCTET STRING, so it's just some bytes, considering the curve is implied in our case
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11:44 < waxwing> stevenroose: the 33rd byte (well, 1st) is not about DER, it's a parity byte for the curve point (+/- y coord) for point compression.
11:45 < stevenroose> waxwing, aaah, ok perfect, thanks
11:45 < waxwing> jonasschnelli: did you mean compressed pubkeys, not 'compact' pubkeys?
11:45 < waxwing> compact sig: i don't know about it, but 64 bytes would be 32 bytes for the two r,s ; not der.
11:46 < stevenroose> waxwing, so for uncompressed, its also 64+1
11:46 < stevenroose> makes a lot of sense :)
11:47 < waxwing> uncompressed pubkeys? would usually be just 64 (x, y)
11:47 < stevenroose> https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd/blob/master/btcec/pubkey.go#L17
11:47 < stevenroose> oh
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11:48 < waxwing> oh of course, my mistake
11:48 < waxwing> '04' for uncompressed and '02'/'03' for a parity byte for compressed
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14:51 < Mccallum1983> does anyone know how to correct this erro
14:51 < Mccallum1983> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23661207/
14:52 < Mccallum1983> also, with brainflayer being able to crack wallet passwords what is the best way to secure against this
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