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My Merkle set reference implementation is now working - https://github.com/bramcohen/MerkleSet 14:06 < bramc> The 'real' implementation is still hella buggy, but at least the more superficial aspects of it being a merkle tree should be fairly understandable from the code now 14:08 -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@f2.fd.5177.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:08 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bgwitddttluvskop] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:10 < kanzure> bramc: there was a "merklix tree" proposal somewhere, http://www.deadalnix.me/2016/09/24/introducing-merklix-tree-as-an-unordered-merkle-tree-on-steroid/ 14:15 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxiacbantzgvmdap] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:16 < bramc> kanzure: The thing I'm doing is a patricia trie, which is basically what he's advocating for. I don't know what he's babbling about it being 'unordered' though 14:16 < bramc> And I'm already using Tromp's proposal of keeping track of the size below, although I'm doing a heavily optimized version where there's a special case for exactly two things below 14:20 < bramc> Also, my thing is byte for byte specified with a working reference implementation and a highly performant cache coherent one is on the way as soon as I'm done debugging it 14:25 -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@3d.06.01a8.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:35 -!- Starduster [~guest@unaffiliated/starduster] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:39 -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@3d.06.01a8.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:41 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:41 -!- shockoo [~shockoo@ip-94-112-163-197.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:42 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:43 -!- propumpkin is now known as copumpkin 14:45 -!- ]GD [~gd@pool-100-8-68-102.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:49 -!- z0rr0x [~z0rr0x@190.87.60.244] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:50 -!- z0rr0x [~z0rr0x@190.87.60.244] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 14:51 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57 < Jeremy_Rand[m]> bramc: nice work, looks useful :) 15:08 < bramc> Thank you. This sort of work isn't something which gets much appreciation from the enthusiasts 15:10 -!- Emcy_ [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:13 -!- Emcy [~MC@cpc13-swan4-2-0-cust361.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:13 -!- Emcy [~MC@cpc13-swan4-2-0-cust361.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:13 -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:16 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:31 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:56 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:08 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:14 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:17 < Eliel> bramc: Without reading the article, I'd guess the unordered in that context might refer to the resulting tree being identical no matter in which order the leaves are inserted to it. 16:17 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:18 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:18 < bramc> Eliel that at least would be consistent with the author's poor english. The elements of the list clearly need to be implicitly sorted 16:18 -!- uiuc-slack [~uiuc-slac@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 16:19 -!- uiuc-slack [~uiuc-slac@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:19 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22 < bramc> There are a few tricks and optimizations which have to be part of the reference implementation because they affect the semantics. I think the reference implementation shows that the complexity they add is minimal, and the implementation of proofs of inclusion and exclusion and their verification is notably simple 16:29 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:33 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:44 -!- WungFu [~WungFu@unaffiliated/wungfu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46 -!- uiuc-slack [~uiuc-slac@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 16:46 -!- uiuc-slack1 [~uiuc-slac@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:47 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:53 < bsm117532> MichaelPVR my company is actively working on it. 16:54 < bsm117532> bramc: the "unordered" comes from using the hash of (blahblah) as the key to the Patricia trie. 17:01 -!- gribble [~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:02 < bramc> bsm117532: That's still ordered, it's just ordered by hash :-P 17:04 -!- loxin [~loxin@unaffiliated/loxin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:11 -!- bramc [634b58ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.75.88.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:15 -!- loxin [~loxin@unaffiliated/loxin] has quit [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com] 17:18 -!- loxin [~loxin@unaffiliated/loxin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:21 -!- loxin [~loxin@unaffiliated/loxin] has quit [Client Quit] 17:24 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:28 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxiacbantzgvmdap] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:30 < bsm117532> bramc It's statistically unordered :-P 17:38 -!- MichealPVR [49051cb4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.5.28.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:39 -!- MichealPVR_ [2d14b9cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.20.185.203] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:39 < MichealPVR_> bsm117532, I'm not sure if you guys are addressing the obstacle in my scenario 17:40 < bsm117532> MichealPVR_: So explain what you're interested in? 17:40 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:41 < MichealPVR_> In a typical scenario, one app would implement a bitid for auth purposes and the private key would be protected within the scope of that application. 17:41 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:41 < MichealPVR_> When you introduce a network of applications, the challenge then becomes sharing the private key. 17:41 < MichealPVR_> across those applications 17:43 < MichealPVR_> The only method I can think of is to encrypt the key with a password generated by the auth server. 17:44 < MichealPVR_> and once the app is authenticated, the password allows access to the key, allowing the signature, which allows the user auth. 17:46 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:02 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:04 -!- ]GD [~gd@pool-100-8-68-102.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:09 -!- ]GD [~gd@pool-100-8-68-102.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:26 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:30 -!- ]GD [~gd@pool-100-8-68-102.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:43 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:50 -!- Transisto2 [~Trans@modemcable017.144-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:50 -!- gsdgdfs [~Trans@modemcable017.144-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:53 -!- ]GD [~gd@pool-100-8-68-102.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:56 -!- Giszmo [~leo@46.128.114.214.dynamic.cablesurf.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:57 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tnlmansawupytygn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:02 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:26 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@i118-17-11-238.s41.a008.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:28 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:31 -!- windsok [~windsok@45.63.59.8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:34 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:36 -!- kenshi84_ [~kenshi84@173.245.217.166] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:38 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:40 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@i118-17-11-238.s41.a008.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:43 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:50 -!- Emcy_ [~MC@cpc13-swan4-2-0-cust361.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:50 -!- Emcy_ [~MC@cpc13-swan4-2-0-cust361.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:50 -!- Emcy_ [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:53 -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:54 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-etmtykibziszqygg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:59 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p2003004D2B28FF00AC9BCCA14258DFA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:02 -!- bildramer [~bildramer@p2003004D2B28FF00AC9BCCA14258DFA9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:09 -!- StephenM347 [~stephenm3@cpe-76-179-216-23.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:13 -!- MichealPVR_ [2d14b9cb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.45.20.185.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:19 -!- shockoo [~shockoo@ip-94-112-163-197.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24 -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@9c.48.caa1.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:25 -!- alferz [~alferz@unaffiliated/alfer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:37 -!- itsme_ [~textual@46.166.164.87] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:53 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55 -!- kenshi84_ [~kenshi84@173.245.217.166] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:56 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@173.245.217.166] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:59 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:00 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01 -!- legogris [~legogris@128.199.205.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:02 -!- itsme_ [~textual@46.166.164.87] has quit [Quit: My Mac Pro has gone to sleep. 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