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jonasschnelli posted here a couple of days ago? https://arxiv.org/pdf/1702.02867.pdf 07:31 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:31 -!- laurentmt1 is now known as laurentmt 07:32 -!- Davasny [~quassel@78.10.231.191] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:32 -!- Davasny is now known as Guest72728 07:33 -!- Guest72728 is now known as dav2 07:35 < kanzure> yes, read the logs 07:40 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:42 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.4.198] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:46 < Aaronvan_> kanzure: I literally only saw one comment from taek (that it had a nice table). did I miss something? 07:46 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@91.181.4.198] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:49 < kanzure> yes? bsm1175321 was talking about it 07:49 < Aaronvan_> yeah I just found it; thanks 07:50 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 07:53 -!- 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We have published some research on soundness improvements to multi-asset confidentiality. I thought that folks here might be interested: https://blog.chain.com/preparing-for-a-quantum-future-45535b316314 12:12 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:28 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@adsl-71-132-90-206.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:30 -!- _Iriez is now known as Iriez 12:39 -!- MoALTz [~no@77-254-9-16.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47 -!- CrazyLoaf [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qfrmvgbibvfsobkk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:14 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:26 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:00 -!- Guest41661 [~derek@199.195.250.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:21 -!- chjj_ [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:24 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:31 -!- schmidty [~schmidty@unaffiliated/schmidty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:50 -!- meZee [SwedFTP@unaffiliated/swedftp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:53 -!- [Derek] [~derek@199.195.250.122] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:53 -!- [Derek] is now known as Guest50171 14:54 -!- meZee [SwedFTP@unaffiliated/swedftp] has quit [Client Quit] 14:56 -!- meZee [~SwedFTP@unaffiliated/swedftp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:57 -!- Davasny [~quassel@78.10.231.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08 < dgenr8> bsm117532: That paper says "The random variables T and T' are clearly independent." How so? They vary inversely, which seems pretty dependent to me. 15:10 < bsm117532> dgenr8: those are the mining times of two blocks, so are independent. How could they vary inversely? 15:12 < dgenr8> they are random variables representing honest and attacker block production 15:12 < bsm117532> Which page/formula are you looking at? 15:13 < bsm117532> bottom of page 3... 15:13 -!- meZee [~SwedFTP@unaffiliated/swedftp] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.2 - http://znc.in] 15:13 < bsm117532> Both the honest and attacker have a probability to mine the block given by one parameter, \alpha 15:14 * nsh nods 15:14 < bsm117532> The honest miner's probability of finding a block in a given window is independent of all other hashpower. 15:14 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: :)] 15:14 < nsh> this is still an approximation over multiple blocks 15:15 < nsh> (as there is some inter-dependence due to difficulty changes) 15:18 < bsm117532> After a difficulty change the targets change for everyone but the same formulas apply. 15:18 < bsm117532> There is certainly game theory surrounding whether you try to reorg one block before the retarget though... 15:19 -!- chjj_ is now known as chjj 15:20 -!- rusty2 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:27 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:29 < bsm117532> nsh: technically, the probabilities of finding blocks in such a circumstance are still independent, but no longer identically distributed (because the honest miner and attacker may be mining for two different targets -- before and after the retarget) 15:32 < nsh> right, the distributions for the sequences of independent events are not independent :) 15:39 -!- liead is now known as adai 15:39 -!- adai is now known as adlai 15:52 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc34f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:57 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@adsl-71-132-90-206.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:13 < dgenr8> The third equation on page 6 differs from the Nakamoto formula, yet claims to restate it. It is off by one in the upper summation index. 16:16 -!- airbreather [~airbreath@d149-67-99-43.nap.wideopenwest.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21 -!- airbreather [~airbreath@d149-67-99-43.nap.wideopenwest.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:33 < dgenr8> Ah, doesn't matter. 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