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01:29 < maybefbi> can the difficulty be less than the genesis block? can the target be higher than the genesis block?
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06:40 < kanzure> .title https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.08719
06:40 < yoleaux> [1702.08719] Malware Guard Extension: Using SGX to Conceal Cache Attacks
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07:14 < bsm117532> I'm pretty disappointed SGX is getting so much traction among academics.  (1) It's a misappropriation of trust to Intel and (2) the history of "secure enclaves" is not one of inclusive use.  Just try to access the "secure element" on your iOS device...
07:15 < bsm117532> Don't trust, verify.
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08:30 < tromp_> or the way i heard it: Trust, but verify
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08:45 < bsm117532> "Don't trust, verify" was the motto of Scaling Bitcoin HK 2015.
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08:58 < bsm117532> I have no idea how to "verify" that Intel is using their root key powers for good and not evil.
08:59 < kanzure> you could steal their key and use it for evil and then you can be absolutely sure
09:00 < bsm117532> :-D
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12:27 < petertodd> bsm117532: SGX is getting traction among academics precisely *because* non-academics aren't dumb enough to use it: that leaves a bunch of easy to publish ideas out there
12:28 < bsm117532> "publish or perish" destroys progress and wastes otherwise valuable minds.
12:28 < petertodd> bsm117532: +1
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12:31 < bsm117532> Problem: Key material compromise/password theft is the most pressing cryptographic concern today; Solution: add more key material that absolutely cannot be compromised...
12:31 < bsm117532> ...profit?
12:31 < bsm117532> </sarcasm>
12:33 < waxwing> it "worked" for TLS :)
12:35 < bsm117532> waxwing: how do you mean?
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12:35 < waxwing> CAs. not perfect analogy i grant.
12:37 < bsm117532> I level the same criticism at the CA infrastructure.  Because you know this could never happen: https://www.engadget.com/2015/10/29/google-warns-symantec-over-certificates/
12:37 < bsm117532> It doesn't work, at all.
12:37 < waxwing> the wosign/startcom thing is what springs to my mind
12:37 < waxwing> have they booted them yet from main browser stores? i got rid of them ages ago :)
12:38 < bsm117532> If only there was a way to have a giant list of pubkeys...maybe protected by PoW...
12:38 < waxwing> bsm117532: of course my scare quotes meant sarcasm, but i was only *half* joking; that's the only way security is working, at scale, today: with ultra-trusted roots.
12:39 < waxwing> or am i being unfair, we do now have those various messaging apps with e2e, seems like a big topic.
12:39 < bsm117532> Was just reading about the Signal protocol (again) today.  I'm going to have to dig into that...
12:41 < bsm117532> The fly in that ointment is the use of phone numbers to onboard participants, because no one could ever fraudulently clone a cell phone number...
12:42  * kanzure clones bsm117532's sim card
12:43 < bsm117532> Apropos https://blog.coinbase.com/on-phone-numbers-and-identity-423db8577e58#.9lutyfdes
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