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12:58 < ryan-c> Will posting a bitcoin address here get me autokicked? I have a question about one.
13:00 < amiller> should be ok, i dont think there's autokicking here
13:03 < ryan-c> I wanted to know if 15Mjbr23k7LfadNVAMmFZwdzcL5VFHe9gC was made by someone here.
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14:19 < azonenberg> Hi guys - was referred here by ##crypto
14:19 < azonenberg> I'm looking for info on the state of the art in preimage attacks against HMAC-MD5
14:19 < azonenberg> not strictly cryptocurrency related
14:20 < azonenberg> More specifically, given a protocol in which two endpoints exchange HMAC-MD5 authenticated messages
14:20 < azonenberg> how practical is it currently for a network-level attacker to forge messages? If it's not currently achievable, any guesses on how far out?
14:20 < azonenberg> I know MD5 is weak against collisions but that doesn't directly break preimage
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17:39 < jeremyrubin> Has anyone seen a script with a combination OP_IF pushdata in the wild? Example: OP_IF (PUSHDATA 100) OP_ELSE  <99 bytes> OP_ENDIF
17:39 < jeremyrubin> As far as I can tell, these can evaluate properly
17:41 < jeremyrubin> if you pass in OP_1 to the script, then you get the pushdata containing <OP_ELSE || <99 bytes>>
17:43 < jeremyrubin> if you pass in OP_0, you should execute <99 bytes> as script
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19:26 < petertodd> jeremyrubin: PUSHDATA's are parsed as part of GetOp, prior to the IF/ELSE/ENDIF codepath
19:28 < petertodd> jeremyrubin: put another way, opcodes in Bitcoin have a variable-length encoding, it's just that lengths other than 1 are only used for pushdata
19:30 < petertodd> jeremyrubin: also, bitcoin script has about 2^4096 valid opcodes :)
19:31 < gmaxwell> OP_FORMAT_PETERTODDS_HARDDISK
19:32 < petertodd> jeremyrubin: er, I mean, about 2^4160 valid opcodes
19:32 < petertodd> gmaxwell: that is fortunately not one of the valid opcodes
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19:37 < gmaxwell> OP_GIVE_GMAXWELL_ALL_BITCOINS
19:37 < petertodd> gmaxwell: that has a side-effect of reducing the effective number of bitcoins to zero
19:37 < petertodd> gmaxwell: #wontfix
19:39 < gmaxwell> If you ever thought 2^4160 was a big number, it's only slight number than the number of distinct boolean functions with 12 a bit inputs. #perspective
19:39 < gmaxwell> er 12, 1 bit inputs.
19:41 < petertodd> I wonder if any of those functions can play tetris?
19:41 < petertodd> and if one can, how many?
20:05 < jeremyrubin> how many ways can one play tetris?
20:05 < jeremyrubin> If you can only play tetris one way, than there's your answer
20:06 < jeremyrubin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DGNZnfKYnU
20:07 < petertodd> META
20:07 < jeremyrubin> So my script would just parse as OP_IF <OP_ELSE <99 bytes>> OP_ENDIF
20:08 < petertodd> yup
20:08 < jeremyrubin> Ok cool.
20:08 < petertodd> (unless your implementation is broken)
20:08 < petertodd> it's a nice example of why parsers are important actually!
20:08 < jeremyrubin> (i'd imagine there are a lot of implementations that get that wrong... let's see what bcoin/btcd does...)
20:09 < petertodd> heh
20:10 < petertodd> I'd suggest you just put that on mainnet and see what happens :P
20:10 < petertodd> I have negative respect for bcoin/btcd :/
20:10 < petertodd> particularly bcoin
20:11 < jeremyrubin> let's see... `OP_IF OP_PUSHDATA 2 OP_ELSE OP_ENDIF OP_ENDIF` should fail before execution
20:11 < jeremyrubin> (But it does make sense that OP_PUSHDATA reads ahead! The other behavior would be problematic)
20:11 < petertodd> better not to put the two endifs for a better test
20:12 < petertodd> if you think about it from the perspective of langsec, what bitcoin does is the sane thing to do
20:12 < jeremyrubin> it only looks unbalanced to a misbehaving node
20:13 < petertodd> hmm, yeah, I think you're right there - scrap my criticism of the two endifs then
20:15 < petertodd> anyway, I really need to get back to my MIT talk slides :) good luck!
20:17 < jeremyrubin> thanks!
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20:35 < kanzure> oh where are the streams
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