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06:56 < Chris_Stewart_5> So I am reading this post on bitcoincore: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2017/03/23/schnorr-signature-aggregation/, in theory I understand the signature aggregation part of it. However the post seems to hint at input aggregation to? Is this right?
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07:00 < waxwing> Chris_Stewart_5: iiuc the article is making the distinction between the case where the co-signers cooperate interactively outside the protocol to safely aggregate a signature, with a case where it can be done within the protocol, while still keeping the delinearisation shenanigans to keep it safe from key cancellation etc
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10:43 < jtimon> luke-jr: kudos on the block size fraud proof
10:43 < jtimon> cool stuff
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11:01 < phantomcircuit> luke-jr, yeah quite clever to use the sha2 length thing
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11:28 < keeko> talkin talkin talkin
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11:51 < fluffypony> wut
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12:01 < keeko> We are talkin bout this split n all... what's the damn deal? We hold our BTC and BTU both?
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12:04 < waxwing> keeko: try #bitcoin
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13:02 < tromp_> is it possible to make 2-of-3 Schnorr signatures?
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13:12 < bsm117532> tromp_: I assume you're talking about aggregation?  I believe you have to enumerate the 3 possible pubkeys for the aggregate signature (each of which is the sum of 2 original pubkeys -- 3 possible combinations)
13:16 < tromp_> i'm talking about 3 parties creating some output which any 2 of them can spend
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13:16 < tromp_> in the context of mimblewimble
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17:44 < roasbeef> tromp_: one could enumerate the combinations (all 3), then construct transactions of the three possibilities (the aggregate key for ecah one) and give them to the respective parties
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17:57 < bsm1175321> tromp_: https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/schnorr-signatures/
17:58 < bsm1175321> sipa proposes to use a Merkle tree on the possible pubkeys.
17:58 < bsm1175321> Which is good, because if you have to reveal all 3 of the pubkeys in your 2-of-3 example, you can trivially solve for the original pubkeys, (probably) nullifying any privacy gain by aggregation.
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18:05 < bsm1175321> Ok wizards, this makes me sad: https://underhandedcrypto.com/2017/03/08/get-ready-for-the-2017-underhanded-crypto-contest/
18:05 < bsm1175321> "Last year we wanted to see backdoors that exclusively related to cryptocurrencies, and we didn't get much of a response"
18:05 < bsm1175321> Here are a few ideas:
18:06 < bsm1175321> 1. Create a bog-standard Satoshi-derived altcoin in which the creator secretly has control of all coins (maybe through a signature backdoor)
18:06 < bsm1175321> 2. Backdoor the PoW function so that the coin creator can create blocks with much lower work than other miners.
18:07 < bsm1175321> 3. Give explicit demonstration of one of the many flaws in PoS, allowing the coin creator to take control at a later time.
18:08 < bsm1175321> 4. Backdoor a Monero-derived altcoin so as to de-anonymize everyone.
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18:08 < bsm1175321> (or zcash)
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18:17 < bsm1175321> 5. Create a crypto-currency using a new elliptic curve that appears random, but has a back door following the EC_DRBG fiasco (e.g. parameters which can be justified to be "random" by giving a RNG and a seed but which have a backdoor).  For computational tractability, a small prime order would be advisable...
18:18 < bsm1175321> ref: http://ogryb.blogspot.com/2014/11/why-i-dont-trust-nist-p-256.html
18:21 < bsm1175321> 6. Create a crypto-currency involving any half-cocked bizarre PKI that no one has ever seen before, but has a backdoor.  (new/novel/original = good marketing)
18:21 < sipa> a crypto-currency with a PKI? :o
18:22 < bsm1175321> Eh...I mean just asymmetric crypto
18:23 < bsm1175321> You all have until July 1.  Now GO!!!  (and if you find any of the above brain dump interesting, ping me, I might help ;-)
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18:28 < bsm1175321> Also if this contest has any interesting cryptocurrency-related entrants, I'm going to try to hire you.  ;-)
18:34 < phantomcircuit> bsm1175321, why bother with that im pretty sure you coul just build a super complicated scripting system and then build an even more complicated programming language for it
18:34 < phantomcircuit> then maybe make it worse by letting scripts call each other or something crazy
18:34 < phantomcircuit> ...
18:34 < bsm1175321> phantomcircuit: I see what you did there...
18:34 < phantomcircuit> wasn't really going for subtle ;)
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18:36 < bsm1175321> Indeed, it's old news in this community but taking advantage of contract re-entrancy in an Ethereum-derived coin would be a reasonable way to go
18:36 < bsm1175321> phantomcircuit: hey, don't build a complicated programming language.  You need at least four.
18:37 < bsm1175321> And mask differences between apparently equivalent implementations it the different languages...
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18:41 < bsm1175321> Here's some details on how to do that: http://vessenes.com/more-ethereum-attacks-race-to-empty-is-the-real-deal/
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