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02:30 < wallet42> q about asicboost: which chunk is staying the same? first or second?
02:31 < gmaxwell> wallet42: you need multiple first chunks (4 is a good number) which work with the same second chunk.
02:32 < gmaxwell> Both 'change' in that you increment the nonce in the second chunk, and try each nonce with all the first chunks.
02:33 < wallet42> could a soft-fork, requiring the 4 bytes version field to be exact the same as the 4 tail bytes from the merkle root be a mitigation? bip9 signaling would move to the coinbase tx version?
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02:34 < gmaxwell> wallet42: no because you could grind to find a colliding root, then set the version to be that value. In the BIP I mention a stronger block--
02:34 < gmaxwell> you take some hash of the first 64 bytes and require the lower 8 or 9 bits of the timestamp (which is in the second chunk) be equal to them.
02:35 < gmaxwell> This would take the 4-way collision search now be against 40 bits instead of 32... which is a pretty big slowdown.
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02:44 < wallet42> ok. another question. A theoretical version of BU does a hard fork to do "bigger blocks" and changes the ordering of the header fields at the same time. Would that be a litmus test for asicboost if it would be opposed?
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06:03 < jeremyrubin> gmaxwell: you missed the point of what I said
06:03 < jeremyrubin> I am well aware of the DoS issues related with a solution that looks like that
06:04 < jeremyrubin> But that solution specifically addresses them
06:05 < jeremyrubin> The window in which malleated witnesses can be sent is ~10 minutes, after which the following block commits to the prior witness commitment
06:06 < jeremyrubin> Furthermore, the witness is signed by the creator of said block. Witnesses are only relayed if they have a signature from the creator of the block.
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06:09 < jeremyrubin> This enables easy fraud proofs should said miner abuse that. The coinbase TXN could then be soft forked to require a spend path that accepts such a fraud proof as a spending path.
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10:38 < zooko> I heard our abortive malleability fix for Zcash was mentioned. Here's more info: https://github.com/zcash/zcash/issues/1304
10:38 < zooko> ^-- @gmaxwell
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10:41 < danrobinson> thanks Zooko!
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23:37 < da2ce7> "non-qc-pow is a subset of qc-proof-of-work when the bit-length is sufficiently large"
23:39 < da2ce7> I have been thinking about qc-resistant mining algo; in talking to andytoshi, he confirmed that any poisson process will lead to a 50% bit-length reduction on difficulty.
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23:40 < da2ce7> so therefore the only difficulty metric we have to play with is the bit-length.
23:41 < da2ce7> thus I propose we move to a mining algorithm that has a variable bit-length, where setting a higher difficulty will simply increase the bit-length of the crypto-hash as needed.
23:42 < da2ce7> this should have a smooth transition point between non-QC, composite-QC, and QC mining.
23:43 < da2ce7> unlike a fixed 256bit hash, that has a sudden and dramatic breakage as soon as QC computers of sufficiently large bit-length are available.
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