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E.g. where I mine on orphans and selectively broadcast so that a portion of nodes see my blocks and in-time and the rest do not. 15:07 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:07 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-89-0-50-90.netcologne.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:07 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-89-0-50-90.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 15:07 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 15:12 -!- kristofferR [~kristoffe@91.37-191-173.fiber.lynet.no] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:13 < petertodd> waxwing: I'm hoping for Mystery Science Theater 3000 myself 15:15 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:17 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:17 -!- kristofferR [~kristoffe@91.37-191-173.fiber.lynet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:18 < gmaxwell> fluffypony: 'digishield' makes for a nice litmus test for engineering competency, it's so trivially broken that even a few minutes investigation turns up problems... to the point where I think it wouldn't be too much of a leap to say that even talking about it using is absurdly incompetent. :-/ 15:18 < gmaxwell> sad to hear that MW is another project more focused buzzwords than engineering. 15:18 < sipa> what is digishield? 15:19 < gmaxwell> sipa: that incompetent difficulty adjustment you simulated last year. 15:19 < sipa> ah! 15:19 -!- kristofferR [~kristoffe@91.37-191-173.fiber.lynet.no] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:20 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:33 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:33 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:34 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@52.119.113.96] has quit [Quit: oleganza] 15:35 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:36 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-22-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:38 -!- mn3monic [~guido@host239-24-dynamic.248-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:38 -!- mn3monic [~guido@host239-24-dynamic.248-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 15:38 -!- mn3monic [~guido@unaffiliated/mn3monic] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:38 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:39 -!- dav2 [~quassel@78.10.231.191] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47 -!- kristofferR [~kristoffe@91.37-191-173.fiber.lynet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:50 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-67-168-4-85.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:55 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-22-233.219.201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@52.119.113.96] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:15 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:48 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-67-168-4-85.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:01 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:17 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 17:30 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwpwsfawwpwzvndn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:33 -!- thrmo [~thrmo@unaffiliated/thrmo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33 -!- goksinen [~goksinen@2604:2000:c591:8400:3816:c092:e861:a7ab] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:53 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:07 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-67-168-4-85.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:07 < andytoshi> gmaxwell: i haven't heard anything about digishield and MW except for fluffypony's comment just now 18:09 < andytoshi> (nor had i heard anything about digishield period :)) 18:12 -!- oleganza [~oleganza@52.119.113.96] has quit [Quit: oleganza] 18:12 -!- jouke [~worst@unaffiliated/komkommer] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:13 < gmaxwell> minor idea, with pay-to-contract transfers you can have outputs that commit to some properties (like ownership) in an auxiliary system. There is no reason these transfers couldn't be joint. E.g. two people write one transaction that creates one output belonging to the aux system, with their payment commiting to a tree of outputs that they desire in the aux system. This might make it more econom 18:13 < gmaxwell> ical to move dust into a system specialized for microtransactions. 18:13 -!- jouke [~worst@2001:1c02:1600:5a00:3040:afc4:afa0:9c0a] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:13 -!- jouke [~worst@2001:1c02:1600:5a00:3040:afc4:afa0:9c0a] has quit [Changing host] 18:13 -!- jouke [~worst@unaffiliated/komkommer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:21 -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:306:b8e0:8160:d471:8a95:788b:eb49] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:33 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@2604:5500:17:2ea:6d20:763f:c2b4:f4fb] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:54 -!- Nightwolf [~Nightwolf@unaffiliated/nightwolf] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54 -!- Nightwolf [~Nightwolf@unaffiliated/nightwolf] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:56 -!- cluckj [~cluckj@static-98-114-125-87.phlapa.ftas.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:06 -!- mountaingoat [~mountaing@unaffiliated/mountaingoat] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:17 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18 -!- wasi [~wasi@gateway/tor-sasl/wasi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:19 -!- mountaingoat [~mountaing@unaffiliated/mountaingoat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:20 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33 -!- mountaingoat [~mountaing@unaffiliated/mountaingoat] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:45 -!- wangchun [~wangchun@li414-193.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:46 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:46 -!- jtimon [~quassel@9.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:46 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:48 -!- wangchun [~wangchun@li414-193.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:48 -!- Dyaheon [~Dya@a91-156-192-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:26 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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