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11:39 < FNinTak> XOF would be useful for very large merkle trees b/c colliding nodes close to the root is increasingly easy...if the tree is fixed or bounded size the sizes at intermediate nodes could be part of the spec
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13:58 < Taek> FNinTak: how would you search for a collision on the root nodes in a way that is faster than scanning for a collision on a single hash?
13:58 < Taek> *close-to-root nodes
13:58 < Taek> collision attacks happen by generating a huge number of hashes and comparing them against eachother
13:59 < Taek> trees are generally very small relative to one's ability to produce massive tables of hashes
14:00 < Taek> so I would think that collision resistance of a tree is roughly equal to collision resistance of a single hash
14:00 < Taek> (identical in terms of order notation)
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15:01 < FNinTak> Taek: You can find a colliding subtree easily as the size of the subtree increases was my point - the fixed-length hash means you lost information about the tree, which is more relevant as your tree expands.
15:04 < FNinTak> In the Bitcoin case this definitely isn't relevant - but a tree over all transactions may be affected
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15:10 < uiuc-slack> <amiller> @MaxSan, which spam?
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