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02:45 < stevenroose> Did doge fork of Bitcoin before checklocktimeverify existed?
02:45 < stevenroose> srry for off-topic
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04:45 < bsm117532> stevenroose: yes
04:47 < stevenroose> bsm117532, so I guess they don't have it?
04:49 < bsm117532> I'd have to go look at their codebase...but CSV activated about 1y ago, and almost no altcoins have kept up with the furious pace of development of bitcoin core.
04:49 < bsm117532> I worked on Doge a little bit, I know for sure they forked before CSV...
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04:50 < bsm117532> Last commit to their repo is in 2015 and that's before CSV.
04:50 < bsm117532> Why?
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07:26 < Taek42> Picking which transctions to put in a block to get optimal revenue is an NP-hard problem
07:26 < Taek42> but, you can write a linear time algorithm to get a bound on how far you are from the optimal situation
07:26 < bsm117532> Uh...why?  Just grab the subset with highest fees.
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07:27 < Taek> bsm117532: it's the knapsack problem
07:27 < Taek> if you grab the subsets with the highest fees, you end up with this unused extra space at the end because the next fee-dense subset may not fit
07:28 < Taek> so it may be in your best interest to drop a larger, more fee-dense transaction set in order to grab some smaller less fee dense transaction sets
07:28 < Taek> because then you get to have more sets included overall
07:29 < Taek> the bound of course is the amount of space you have left at the end, multiplied by the density of most-dense set that doesn't fit
07:30 < Taek> if you add a consensus rule (soft-fork) banning dependent sets above a certain size from being included on-chain, then you know there is a consensus-bound on how suboptimal one can be with a linear time algorithm
07:30 < Taek> if the max size were 50,000 bytes, you know that the linear time algorithm is going to be within 5% at worst of the optimal algorithm
07:30 < Taek> this means miners who can afford to do fancy/expensive solving will get at most a 5% advantage
07:31 < Taek> today, they could get a much bigger advantage if there are lots of very large transaction sets with varying fee densities
07:31 < bsm117532> Well it's an optimization problem with a constraint.  That is NP-hard generally.  But why bring that up?
07:32 < Taek> I was thinking about miners that might deploy lots of hardware simply dedicated to picking the optimal set of transactions
07:32 < Taek> it's another centralization pressure on mining
07:32 < bsm117532> It may be NP hard, but definitely tractable with modern hardware.
07:33 < Taek> the mempool can have tens of thousands of transactions. I guess I don't actually know how intractable or tractible it might be, but I was just assuming that it was intractible at that scale
07:36 < bsm117532> That's small fish for optimization algorithms.
07:38 < Taek> does bitcoin core do optimal transaction selection?
07:39 < Taek> also, would there be a DoS you could set up if the wallet was programmed to do optimal selection?
07:40 < bsm117532> Sure but that DoS can only be executed by submitting valid transactions.
07:40 < bsm117532> A large pile of low-fee transactions would do it.
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09:01 < jnewbery> transaction selection is also hard because it's nonlinear and multi-dimensional
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09:02 < jnewbery> nonlinear because a block can contain transactions and their parents => the validity of a transaction in a block depends on which other transactions are included in that block
09:03 < jnewbery> multi-dimensional because there are two constraints: block size (1MB) and block sigops (20000)
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09:17 < surae> for a CPU-only mining coin, I imagine transaction selection is a complete waste of time. each CPU cycle spent on optimizing selections is not spent on hashes, so it's very likely a miner's strategy would be maximized by just bundling the first selection of transactions they see... but with an ASIC or a GPU doing the mining, different story...
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12:00 < Taek> jnewbery: is the number of sigops low enough that it's a practical constraint? Or for any realistic set are you going to be well under the sigops limit?
12:01 < Taek> I guess when thinking in terms of maliciously constructed transactions, you do need to consider the sigops limt
12:02 < jnewbery> Taek: I believe it's not usually an issue. But it does mean that the transaction selection algorithm can't just maximize for fee/byte (otherwise someone could construct transactions that would cause miners to mine invalid blocks)
12:02 < jnewbery> Taek: exactly
12:02 < instagibbs> Taek, standardness checks would likely make it not a concern, but it matters for consensus still
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18:02 < adiabat> hi wizards, I have a smart contract idea I wrote up here: https://adiabat.github.io/dlc.pdf
18:02 < adiabat> would welcome feedback, especially of the "oh no this construction is horribly broken" variety
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21:03 < kanzure> adiabat: not related to your construction, (in fact this sadly uses sgx) http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Town%20Crier:%20An%20authenticated%20data%20feed%20for%20smart%20contracts.pdf
21:09 < kanzure> adiabat: on page 5 last paragraph, the transactions are valid (broadcastable?) even though the transaction doesn't contain the oracle's signature?
21:09 < adiabat> kanzure: yeah, you can broadcast them, but it's a bad idea to do so
21:09 < adiabat> you don't know the private key that they send to, so you won't get any coins by broadcasting the "wrong" transaction
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21:21 < kanzure> adiabat: oh it's valid and broadcastable because alice and bob actually have to publish two transactions in the bitter regretful trade case; their scripthash outputs should only be sent once the oracle's signature is known.   and then in non-adversarial average case, alice and bob should agree to skip those two transactions and forego their umpteen-million pre-signed transactions. is all of ...
21:22 < kanzure> ...this correct?
21:23 < kanzure> and the two transactions would be:  one of the pre-signed transactions creating the scripthash output, and then one that spends the scripthash once the oracle reveals a value.
21:23 < kanzure> *and then one that spends the scripthash output
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22:09 < adiabat> kanzure: right; if they cooperate they don't need all the pre-signed transactions
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22:11 < kanzure> what is the actual value of the scripthash, and could fancypants opcodes make better conditionals? i guess some sort of checksnorr tree.
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22:53 < adiabat> the script itself is (keyA OR (keyB AND op_csv))
22:54 < adiabat> the opcodes are here: https://github.com/mit-dci/lit/blob/master/lnutil/lnlib.go#L12
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