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ZZZzzz...] 01:48 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:51 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.75.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:52 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:26 < nickler> adiabat: Isn't your Discreet Log Contracts scheme vulnerable to pubkey cancellation? The oracle could for example set R to -Pub_A resulting in Pub_Ai = -h(i, R)*V such that the oracle alone can spend that output. Or Alice could set Pub_A to -s_i*G + x*G to spend the output without the oracle's involvement. 02:27 -!- jtimon [~quassel@117.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:56 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:38bb:9013:dae2:834e] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:01 -!- jl2012 [uid133844@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-suyqwutfojkjhhgh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:12 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:16 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:20 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:38bb:9013:dae2:834e] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:28 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:31 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:54 -!- Nibbit [~Nibbit@151.109-247-247.customer.lyse.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:20 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.75.159] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:20 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:22 -!- rilos [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:24 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:26 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 04:29 -!- rilos [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:30 -!- rilos [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:32 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:45 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@158.red-83-53-16.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46 -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@158.red-83-53-16.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:48 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:48 -!- rilos_ [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:50 -!- rilos [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:51 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.75.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:52 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:56 -!- rilos_ [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...] 05:20 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:36 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43 < waxwing> nickler: would the delinearlization thing fix it, i.e. you send to hash(P_A)P_A + s_iG (by 'it' i mean your second point) 05:49 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:38bb:9013:dae2:834e] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:01 -!- fibonacci_ [uid136497@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wigeubrliddwhuug] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:04 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:04 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@32.106-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:06 < instagibbs> waxwing, the oracle should delinearize her R. It's a fixed number of pubkeys so I don't think you have to be worried about wagner-style attacks 06:14 -!- jnewbery [~Thunderbi@static-100-38-11-146.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:17 -!- c0rw1n [~c0rw1n@87.67.247.161] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:19 -!- ivan [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:22 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:38bb:9013:dae2:834e] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:25 -!- harrymm [~wayne@45.56.152.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:25 < nickler> waxwing: Yes. And as instagibbs says you could make Pub_Ai = h(Pub_A)*Pub_A + H(s_i*G)*s_i*G. 06:26 < nickler> instagibbs: The paper mentions the case of multiple oracles, so it's probably better to defend against Wagner attacks by additionally including all pubkeys in the hashes. 06:29 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@173-31-39-168.client.mchsi.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:32 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:38 < instagibbs> The oracle(s) cannot delinearize against the players' pubkeys(since they don't know them), which makes me wonder if there's a secure way to combine players' pubkeys for some reason. 06:42 < instagibbs> (sorry that came out fairly confused, I'll think it over instead) 06:50 -!- harrymm [~wayne@104.237.91.142] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:52 -!- talmai [~T@c-24-147-97-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:55 -!- 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[~blackdrag@35.40.180.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:16 < instagibbs> For clarity: You can have the oracles delinearize their pubkeys all together, then also have any smart contract participants do the same if they are doing pubkey combination as well. 08:16 < instagibbs> results in just 2 H(...) values, so not vuln to wagners 08:32 -!- josephpoon [~josephpoo@2605:6400:20:9fc::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:37 -!- Oizopower [uid19103@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jozuafvfnpgtfxdh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:37 -!- kmels [~kmels@206.63.151.186.static.intelnet.net.gt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:39 -!- josephpoon [~josephpoo@205.185.122.187] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:42 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:45 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined 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can sign with their pubkeys before adding in the oracle's signature point 09:12 < adiabat> But yeah... why not save those signatures and multiply everything by a hash of all the pubkeys involved 09:16 -!- jtimon [~quassel@117.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:22 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:23 -!- kmels [~kmels@190.14.133.148] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:23 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:38bb:9013:dae2:834e] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:47 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 09:48 -!- talmai [~T@c-24-147-97-55.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mining] 10:00 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:07 -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-944bc443.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11 -!- JackH 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