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07:13 < BlueMatt> so fluffypony was talking about the monero folks building a high-latency mixnet for their own txn broadcasts, and I said "fuck you, dont restrict it to monero if you're gonna build it, lets get btc transactions on ther too"
07:13 < fluffypony> hah hah
07:13 < fluffypony> that's pretty much exactly how the conversation went down
07:13 < BlueMatt> I assume gmaxwell would be interested, but is likely sleeping
07:14 < fluffypony> anonimal too, he's also sleeping
07:14 < kanzure> sleep is for the
07:15 < BlueMatt> anyway, so its long since time that something like this existed, and being able to transit around random blobs of data in a super high-latency mixnet with clients that interpret it as neccessary would be awesome
07:15 < fluffypony> so one thing we were thinking is of a mixnet that is shared by, say, Monero and Bitcoin (and maybe other stuff later on)
07:15 < fluffypony> ^^
07:15 < fluffypony> so a Monero node would discard a blob that it can't decode (eg. a Bitcoin tx) but accept something it can
07:15 < BlueMatt> i mean yea, just make it generic, they're just data blobs....if they have a little header that says bitcoin, bitcoin nodes will interpret them, if not, ignore :)
07:18 < fluffypony> and it can be bandwidth heavy, because you only need a handful of nodes that are part of that network and can rebroadcast txs they receive
07:18 < fluffypony> (although I can't imagine flood-fill is a good model for this)
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07:58  * bsm117532 wants this too
07:59 < bsm117532> I'm on the job market now too, if anyone wants to hire for this topic.  PM me.
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08:59 < cluelessperson> Hello, Wizards.
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09:11 < cluelessperson> I'm apologize for bothering you, like a newb.
09:12 < cluelessperson> I have an idea to help further bitcoin as an idea, and technology.
09:13 < cluelessperson> Bitcoin, the idea, has definitely greatly matured.    Bitcoin, the technology, continues to flourish.  Many wallets, many softwares, many featurs, many people.
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09:13 < cluelessperson> I believe Bitcoin, the idea, needs a regrouping in vision, as an identity.
09:14 < cluelessperson> I'd like to see a movement develop to help consolidate efforts in bitcoin behind a single banner of sorts.
09:15 < cluelessperson> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R6xGf9tfbCi5Hj7Yz-AhEhojEv8p0flivXrkP8d_lt0/edit?usp=sharing
09:15 < cluelessperson> ---
09:15 < kanzure> please leave
09:16 < cluelessperson> kanzure: What's wrong?
09:16 < kanzure> everything.
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09:17 < cluelessperson> kanzure: can you use your words in a way that communicates information?
09:17 < kanzure> no, that centralizes things too much.
09:18 < cluelessperson> kanzure: I actually give a shit, so I'd appreciate if you'd actually try, rather than be an asshole.
09:18 < kanzure> oh i'm the asshole? alright.
09:18 < cluelessperson> kanzure: excellent.  I'm not interested in centralization.  I want to do fully opensource work that helps it flourish.
09:19 < cluelessperson> kanzure: You're talking to a person who's willing to pour his own hard earned money into what he views as bettering the world.
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09:19 < cluelessperson> I'm god damn serious, I'd appreciate if you treated it that way rather than being so dismissive.
09:20 < cluelessperson> kanzure: and yes, you're being an asshole to me by being dismissive.
09:20 < cluelessperson> ---
09:21 < cluelessperson> kanzure: To provide more context.  I believe the community as a whole, would benefit from a system of design being established.
09:21 < cluelessperson> I'm not suggested a change of charge.  I'm suggesting an effort be made towards public image.
09:22 < cluelessperson> kanzure: I believe a positive public image can be created by organizing a project based on open source branding, ui design, layout, and verbiage.
09:26 < pigeons> perhaps but see the topic, this aint the right place
09:26 < kanzure> you are truly melting my brain and i want you to leave
09:27 < kanzure> also the 25 PMs from you are totally ridiculous behavior
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09:36 < cluelessperson> pigeons: could you direct me to the right place?  I've read the topic several times and I don't understand how this isn't the right place.
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10:06 < cluelessperson> kanzure: Sorry for insulting you.
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10:07 < cluelessperson> kanzure: I would suggest updating the topic to better reflect the typical converse  expected.  I thought my topic was fully relevant (it is by the current topic)
10:08 < sipa> cluelessperson: people here talk about interesting cryptographic and scientific breakthroughs that could one day make it into bitcoin or similar systems
10:08 < sipa> not about polishing guis
10:08 < waxwing> cluelessperson: i think what you're missing is 'theoretical'. but yeah what sipa said.
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12:09 < andytoshi> fluffypony: grin wants in on this too (well, at some point)
12:09 < fluffypony> dea
12:09 < fluffypony> deal
12:10 < fluffypony> Permissionless Mixnetovation
12:23 < gmaxwell> I've suggested before that it would make sense to use it for multiple systems
12:23 < gmaxwell> OTOH, doing a simple one-hop mixer with thing being mixed awareness has a tremendously positive property: you can totally prevent DOS attack.
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16:46 < yoleaux> Bram Cohen: Data Structures for Scaling Bitcoin - YouTube
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