--- Log opened Tue Aug 01 00:00:37 2017 00:00 < gmaxwell> jonny1000: it's just a non-segwit fork. 00:01 < gmaxwell> jonny1000: like a monthly thing with testnet, someone spins up some hashpower on some old software (or crapware fork) and mines blocks and unmaintained block explorers show it. 00:01 < jonny1000> Hi, please explain what you mean, Im actually out and about on a mobile at the moment and an exchange has asked me 00:02 < rusty> jonny1000: he means those blocks are invalid. 00:03 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:08 -!- jonny1000 [d2b188bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.177.136.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:10 -!- marcoagner [~user@191.249.242.140] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:13 <@midnightmagic> i.e. "Most-work" does not mean "consensus-defining." 00:20 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:69a3:a14b:abfa:eb38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20 < gmaxwell> midnightmagic: jonny1000 knows that. :) 00:27 <@midnightmagic> Sorry. 00:29 -!- d_t [~d_t@108-65-78-188.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29 <@midnightmagic> I forgot who he was. 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:) 04:47 < kanzure> that's correct, at the time i had not figured out how to do backwards time travel, ad as a consequence i couldn't go to the future to bring back proposals lke that. 04:50 < waxwing> sorry i didn't get it. that doc is 2017, right? 04:51 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:53 < kanzure> scalingbitcoin-review.pdf was 2015 04:53 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@177.74.240.4] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 04:54 < waxwing> kanzure: oh i was responding to your post above ^ about the table on page 8 of https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.00916.pdf 04:54 < kanzure> ah alright. 04:56 < waxwing> and wasn't being sarcastic in that it is an interesting summary table. not sure i've seen something like that before. the anonymity tech table is interesting too, although seen similar to that in a number of places. would be interesting to see if they missed anything there. 04:56 < waxwing> perhaps stealth addresses for one. 04:57 < waxwing> lightning/payment channels. maybe that's debatable. 04:57 < kanzure> i noticed that it includes mimblewimble but not confidential transactions. weird choices. 04:58 < waxwing> yeah true, that's not present in some older summaries for obvious reasons, mentions CT in MW context, but not separately. good point. 05:00 -!- JackH [~laptop@business-176-094-060-178.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:00 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:01 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:69a3:a14b:abfa:eb38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:02 < kanzure> and then conidential assets... which i also note is barely mentioned in http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-confidential-transactions/ :P 05:04 < sipa> well that's not really a privacy improvement... more how to extend an existing one to a chain that inherently supports more than a public chain can 05:05 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:16 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@138.59.130.137] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:16 < sipa> (i don't mean to downplay CA, i think it's awesome... just pointing out that it doesn't apply to a single-currency chain) 05:17 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@198-27-188-157.static.sonic.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:32 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:69a3:a14b:abfa:eb38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:37 -!- rockhouse [~rockhouse@h54110.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Changing host] 05:37 -!- rockhouse [~rockhouse@unaffiliated/rockhouse] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:47 -!- yRDIUTgn [~YRxcrYTVB@2a02:2f0a:b050:bea:7046:2cf6:1536:3526] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:48 -!- aeae [82cce807@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.204.232.7] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:48 < aeae> hi 05:49 < aeae> on which TV channel can I watch the bitcoin fork? :D 05:49 < waxwing> aeae: try #bitcoin-forks ; anyway, not here 05:50 < aeae> thx 05:59 -!- bjorn[m] [bjornwgnrm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nqmqtakacyvgusoa] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:02 -!- augoeides[m] [augoeidesm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ucyebybclqdynrxo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:02 -!- Jeremy_Rand[m] [jeremyrand@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dfleuomsxpibouim] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:02 -!- kewde[m] [kewdematri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ubjehfrjegpsozfx] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:02 -!- herzmeister[m] [herzmeiste@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ihqjqhhrjyjykkwk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:05 -!- qpm [~qpm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic/bot/qpm] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:06 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07 -!- Nightwolf [~Nightwolf@v2201412760721964.yourvserver.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:15 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-78-20-17.netcologne.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:15 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-78-20-17.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 06:15 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:16 -!- qpm [~qpm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic/bot/qpm] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:16 -!- aeae [82cce807@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.204.232.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:18 -!- neha [~narula@tbilisi.csail.mit.edu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:19 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@2604:2000:e080:d400:989f:6438:16f1:92ae] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:27 -!- jmcn [c3593139@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.89.49.57] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:29 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:39 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@2604:2000:e080:d400:989f:6438:16f1:92ae] has quit [Quit: danrobinson] 06:41 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@cpe-68-175-4-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:43 -!- herzmeister[m] [herzmeiste@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ppidjsecgfbyufpn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:54 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@138.59.130.137] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 15:21 -!- bitpilot [~chip@1.136.97.74] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:22 < bitpilot> I'm guessing the bitcoin cash is clickbait.. is that a reasonable assumption? 15:23 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:23 < kanzure> wrong channel 15:30 -!- JackH [~laptop@31-151-247-152.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:33 < andytoshi> #bitcoin-forks ... but yes 15:33 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-efwukyceyxydnlbn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:35 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.72.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:36 -!- d_t [~d_t@184.250.193.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:36 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@177.74.240.4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:39 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@177.74.240.4] has quit [Client Quit] 15:40 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42 -!- JackH [~laptop@31-151-247-152.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:46 -!- d_t [~d_t@184.250.193.249] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:54 -!- d_t [~d_t@184.250.193.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@177.74.240.4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:55 -!- danrobinson [~danrobins@65.209.60.146] has quit [Quit: danrobinson] 15:55 -!- https_GK1wmSU [~deep-book@199.189.106.240] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:56 -!- https_GK1wmSU [~deep-book@199.189.106.240] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 16:05 -!- charutocafe[m] [charutocaf@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ltjgupnwfzjuumhi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:06 < charutocafe[m]> i was told to come by and ask you wizards about a few technical doubts/questions i have about bitcoin and PoW in general 16:07 < charutocafe[m]> while blocks are being mined, are they constantly checking the mempool and updating the transaction priority and thereby the content of the block? 16:21 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ppp-88-217-96-224.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:24 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@129.180.72.224] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:24 < Eliel> charutocafe[m]: that's a question for #bitcoin. 16:39 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:40 -!- uvarovserge [~uvarovser@177.74.240.4] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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