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[~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:20 -!- CryptAxe [~cryptaxe@113x41x194x252.ap113.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 10:23 -!- smk [d18015a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.128.21.162] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:24 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:25 < Emcy> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2017/08/libsodium-v1-0-12-and-v1-0-13-security-assessment libsodium audit/review 10:25 < Emcy> thought some might be interested 10:28 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:d4e6:3d31:dc1b:1154] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:40 -!- heirlymoe [~airmoe@181.215.110.140] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:41 -!- ratbanebo [~ratbanebo@ptr-fyrl7zxoxc06l1jr3ea.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:42 -!- anon616 [anon616@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-pqbuxszhczbclanv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53 -!- anon616 [anon616@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-cbgejwgbvnujuuoa] has joined 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What the underlying technology of the lock ? 17:30 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.93.182.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:39 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:52 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:07 -!- dabura667_ [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:07 -!- sausage_factory [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:09 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:21 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:28 < Taek> This is an idea that's a work in progress, but I wanted to throw it out there, and it's something I intend to keep working on. 18:28 < Taek> In Sia, we get protection from bad hosts by storing data on a bunch of hosts at high redundancy, and essentially making it inconsequential if a few fail 18:28 -!- sausage_factory [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29 < Taek> Then we also construct the incentives so that as a host, you are always losing money if you are being a bad host 18:29 < Taek> This sort of idea I think can be applied to blockchains as a whole to get very strong scalability. Like, maybe 100x or 10,000x scalability improvements over Bitcoin today 18:29 < Taek> Basically, you have a bunch of tiny, relatively disposable blockchains instead of one very large one 18:29 < Taek> and each user is going to use maybe 50 or 100 of them 18:30 < Taek> you set the parameters such that, though they are relatively easy to attack, miners only lose money by doing so 18:30 < Taek> ^ this btw is not a simple problem, I've handwaved over what is essentially an open problem 18:30 < Taek> But at this time I believe it to be a solveable problem 18:31 < Taek> The blockchains interoperate through a multi-chain lightning network 18:31 < Taek> And then as a user you pick chains that are popular within your social circles and spending circles (e.g. you pick chains that are shared with your landlord, your grocery store, etc.) 18:32 < kanzure> "miners lose money by doing so" is basically a variation of pow change + freezing previous miner rewards 18:33 < kanzure> (why would you let adversarial miners continue to spend money on further attacking the network in future? that's an awful lot of coins loaded up into earlier parts of history.) 18:34 < Taek> the core issue is that generally as a miner you can get more money by doing a 51% attack if you have the hashrate to do so 18:34 < Taek> so you'd want some mechanism to deter 51% attacks. For example, you could dump your coins if you see blocks getting orphaned or something 18:34 < Taek> but... that is not a great solution because then miners can do griefing, where they cause everyone to dump and then they can scoop up cheap coins 18:35 < kanzure> well-behaving markets basically kick out manipulative traders, so there's that. 18:35 < Taek> If each chain is like 1 hour block time, 5 kb blocksize limit (or some other low-power parameter), running 50 or 100 on a single machine is not an issue 18:35 < kanzure> s/markets/exchanges 18:36 < jephalien> I feel a lot of extreme scaling proposals will evolve convergently looking like "proof of stake" using the latter term very loosely 18:36 < Taek> Then you can have an ecosystem with say, 100,000,000 different chains, and they all overlap in complicated ways (the same way social networks all overlap in complicated ways), but essentially, just like the Internet, you can make a payment to any chain through the lightning network 18:36 < kanzure> jephalien: probably not any of the good proposals though, https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf 18:36 < Taek> then you have a huge amount of global on-chain data, but one person is only ever looking at some tiny fraction of it to verify all of their coins 18:38 < Taek> If you can pull off this tiny-chains stuff, you can do things like run full nodes in-browser 18:41 < jephalien> What about the comment that in order to scale, LN "super" nodes will require significant stake. At some point these stakers will try to extract rent unless we are to believe they are altruists. Or is LN not a good proposal in your view? 18:41 < kanzure> i think your handwaving ignores the whole "have one primary chain so that everyone is incentivized to work together, instead of splitting hashrate between malicious and non-malicious hashing activities". when you don't know that they are committing the total hashrate (without incurring opportunity cost), then you lose out on the benefits of proof-of-work as a way of deciding costly ... 18:41 < kanzure> ...anti-forge history. 18:42 < kanzure> jephalien: you're welcome to do LN simulations if you want. 18:42 < jephalien> honest question ^_^;;; 18:42 < jephalien> I may just do as you suggest though.. 18:42 < kanzure> honest recommendation. simulations. 18:43 < jephalien> I'm sure it has occurred to somebody to simulate it already though 18:43 < kanzure> so? 18:43 < Taek> jephalien: LN supernodes can be avoided on a per-user basis. If your only connections to the lightning network are to your friends and common places of business, you have protected yourself against supernode failure 18:43 < kanzure> you could review their work, but i doubt that there is nothing left to work on. 18:43 < Taek> well... as long as your friends are all also doing the same thing. It doesn't help if you are the only person who is not using a supernode. 18:44 < kanzure> a while back one of the lightning network bootstrapping proposals was something like, picking randomly from.. uh. i forget what set. 18:44 < jephalien> maybe a better simulation might be whether I end up doing business with friends or strangers most of the time 18:45 < jephalien> and in the case of friends, do we need a trustless system 18:45 < jephalien> interesting 18:45 * jephalien off to simulate * 18:46 < kanzure> you can have a channel with someone even if you don't "do business with them". why would that matter? 18:46 < Taek> One thing that we can leverage in the tinychains system is that it's really easy to detect both 51% attacks and also censorship attacks. If there are high-fee transactions that aren't getting mined, this is visible censorship. And if you have an inclusive chain with blocks that aren't being included, this is an obvious 51% attack 18:46 < kanzure> why is it visible if it's not in the global publication channel? 18:46 < Taek> but you can only detect these attacks in real-time. If you are new to a chain, you can't tell whether there's been an attack recently or not 18:47 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:47 < jephalien> I'm interested in learning why I would open a payments channel between me and someone I don't plan on doing business with 18:47 < kanzure> jephalien: negative fees, probably. 18:47 < Taek> kanzure: the reason you would only open channels with people you do business with is because you know they are not Sybils 18:47 * jephalien off to rtfm * 18:48 < kanzure> Taek: huh? so you wouldn't have a channel with me? i am disappoint. 18:48 < Taek> kanzure: "If your only connections to the lightning network are to your friends and..." 18:48 < Taek> :) 18:49 < kanzure> jephalien: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/ 18:49 -!- ratbanebo [~ratbanebo@ptr-fyrl7zxila0rswqp5ic.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:49 < Taek> basically anyone that you are confident is not a Sybil identity is a good candidate for a payment channel in LN 18:51 < jephalien> wow, cool, thanks :) 18:52 < jephalien> are these all yours? 18:53 < kanzure> it's my server. 18:54 -!- ratbanebo [~ratbanebo@ptr-fyrl7zxila0rswqp5ic.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:14 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:19 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28 -!- dabura667 [uid43070@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epeugursgrodqbzu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:43 -!- ratbanebo [~ratbanebo@ptr-fyrl7zvp6xxf7n2ywlw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:48 -!- ratbanebo [~ratbanebo@ptr-fyrl7zvp6xxf7n2ywlw.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:54 -!- pro 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