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[~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:03 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:859b:e933:4a0e:8fd] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:05 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@184.75.213.132] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:06 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:06 < adiabat> there *is* a proposal to do block-wide signatiure aggregation 08:06 < adiabat> it's ... got issues though :/ 08:07 < adiabat> the way it would work size-wise is that every signature in the block would be cut in half, into 2 32-byte parts 08:07 < adiabat> one 32-byte part would remain, and the other 32-byte part of every signature would be combined and committed to in the coinbase tx by the miner 08:07 < andytoshi> aj: sigs are 64 bytes. with signature aggregation they can all be reduced to 32 bytes with an additional 32-byte aggregate 08:08 < adiabat> it works mathematically; the problem is caching 08:08 < andytoshi> right, what adiabat said also applies to the interactive scheme 08:08 < adiabat> with interactive & schnorr (or BN signatures I think) the whole thing turns in to 64 bytes 08:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:10 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 08:11 < andytoshi> no, that's true for multisignatures but not for aggregation (which works with multiple messages that have distinct pubkeys) 08:12 -!- jannes [~jannes@095-097-246-234.static.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:12 < adiabat> I'm not clear on the different terms here 08:13 < adiabat> for bitcoin's use case, an interactive siganture aggregation within one transaction would have one signauture for the whole tx 08:13 < adiabat> so yeah they're all signing the same message 08:13 < adiabat> with a bunch of different pubkeys 08:13 < andytoshi> no 08:13 < adiabat> that can all go into 64 bytes 08:13 < andytoshi> that is not signature aggregation 08:13 < adiabat> ok what do you call that? 08:13 < andytoshi> i would call that a multisignature 08:14 < adiabat> and signature aggregation is for multiple messages? 08:14 < andytoshi> it supports multiple messages, yes, but it's also for separate pubkeys that aren't assumed to have been chosen non-maliciously 08:15 < andytoshi> doing a multisig like you describe requires more interaction and is much harder to do securely if there are malicious signers 08:15 < adiabat> multisignature also works with pubkeys that aren't known beforehand 08:15 < andytoshi> not securely it doesn't 08:16 < adiabat> hm... I may again be using different terms but 08:16 < adiabat> e.g https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~mihir/papers/multisignatures-ccs.pdf 08:17 < adiabat> which is what people are basing the the multisignature work for bitcoin on 08:17 < andytoshi> adiabat: yes, that is signature aggregation 08:17 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:17 < andytoshi> adiabat: yes, i am one of those "people", i wrote the first implementation of signature aggregation 08:18 < andytoshi> the authors use the term "multisignature" for what we are terming "signature aggregation" because we're using it to aggregate what would otherwise be separate signatures 08:18 < adiabat> ok wait ... signature aggrregation = multiple messages, multiple pubkeys 08:18 < andytoshi> yes 08:18 < adiabat> multisignature = 1 message, multiple pubkeys 08:18 < andytoshi> i use that term to mean 1 message, 1 pubkey (well, from the verifier's perspective) 08:19 < adiabat> ohhhh 08:19 < adiabat> OK I think sipa was using the term "key aggregation" for that 08:19 < andytoshi> ah, yeah, that's right 08:19 < adiabat> though acutally I don't think people were clear on what to call it :) 08:19 < andytoshi> i think "multisignature" we'll probably just have to taboo 08:20 < adiabat> yeah we should write up what the different scenarios are and the right terms for them 08:20 < andytoshi> yeah, i know.. 08:20 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:30 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:31 < Beginer> fuck all 08:32 < Beginer> https://blockchain.info/payment_request?address=3D2oetdNuZUqQHPJmcMDDHYoqkyNVsFk9r&message=Please+a+need+this+money,+every+day+is+very+difficult+to+me.+Please+help-me+a+need+to+give+money+for+my+family.+I+do+anything+for+this+%0A&amount=1 08:32 < Beginer> 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(www.adiirc.com)] 14:24 < fluffypony> hey the beggers are using multisig 14:25 < fluffypony> it's a new world! 14:25 < sipa> ? 14:28 < fluffypony> sipa: the spam from "Beginer" earlier 14:38 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:39 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:59 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:04 < belcher> could just be segwit 15:04 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:859b:e933:4a0e:8fd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:06 -!- jtimon [~quassel@173.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:06 -!- eddiewang [~eddiewang@2601:240:d101:8e47:4409:dd3e:5c57:d947] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:10 -!- intcat 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timeout: 246 seconds] 23:26 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:28 -!- momentropist [~momentrop@c-73-70-82-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:28 -!- momentropist [~momentrop@c-73-70-82-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:38 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-234-120.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46 -!- nopara73 [55ffe9a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.255.233.161] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:48 < nopara73> Would you take a look at my fungibility proposal, ZeroLink: https://github.com/nopara73/ZeroLink/ 23:49 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:54 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Log closed Wed Aug 30 00:00:04 2017