--- Log opened Sat Sep 16 00:00:04 2017 --- Day changed Sat Sep 16 2017 00:00 < Guest59991> hi guys need help with a raw transaction signing can anyone help by pm? 00:01 -!- Guest59991 [4395f36c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.149.243.108] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:19 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:20 -!- AlineGomes [uid198215@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaeamytazoxmzhux] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:24 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24 -!- momentropist [~momentrop@c-73-70-82-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:25 -!- momentropist [~momentrop@c-73-70-82-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:31 -!- momentropist [~momentrop@c-73-70-82-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32 -!- 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So the new SF rule is new_difficulty = old_difficulty * factor 07:37 < andytoshi> it is very hard to make this play nicely with the diffchange algorithm 07:37 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-180-201-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:37 < belcher> thinking about this in light of the rumours that china will use DPI and GFW to ban the p2p network, if the increased latency causes mining to centralized inside china then the horrified economic majority may do this via a UASF 07:38 < belcher> isnt the difficulty retarget exactly the same but multiplied by a factor? 07:38 < andytoshi> no, it will be constantly trying to lower the difficulty to adjust to the slow blocks 07:39 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-180-201-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:39 < belcher> so that means after a few difficulty readjustments the non-SF nodes would accept very low difficulty blocks, and therefore be vulnerable to 51% 07:40 < belcher> it may still work in a SF that gets less secure as times goes on, the non-SF nodes have a dozen or so readjustments before they really should upgrade 07:50 -!- momentropist [~momentrop@c-73-70-82-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:51 -!- momentropist [~momentrop@c-73-70-82-29.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:10 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cecmcltdnjdtzhwj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:15 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:19 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:20 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:21 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:38 -!- packetsmurf [~packet@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:38 -!- coinsmurf [~packet@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 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clients) 11:17 < esotericnonsense> the post-SF chain would have the most work done in the long term, but you could mine a block on top of it with the pre-SF diff and they'd accept it (which is then going to be reorged out if you see two post-SF blocks) 11:17 < esotericnonsense> it depends on a majority of hashpower choosing to move to the post-SF situation 11:18 < belcher> yes, so users would have to wait for more confirmations especially non-SF users 11:18 < belcher> its certainly a less safe form of SF 11:19 < esotericnonsense> actually, i'm not sure how current clients deal with that 11:19 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19 < esotericnonsense> is the target enforced to be the correct value, or >= the correct value 11:19 < esotericnonsense> additionally, if you already have a block at height N with target K, and then see a block at height N with target K*2, do you reorg to take the latter block, or do you wait for N+1 with target K*2 11:21 < esotericnonsense> it seems to me that if you enforce target >= correct value, the diff algorithm would need to take an average or a median of the target in the last interval (or just the target the client expects it to be) 11:22 < esotericnonsense> if it immediately updated I could bash away, mining at a very low target, and now suddenly everyone has an insanely high diff 11:23 < esotericnonsense> (if you don't change the target in the block at all, but the post-SF rule is that hash has to be target / factor, then the pre-SF clients would consider the chainwork to be far lower than it actually is) 11:36 -!- pppktz [~pppktz@catv-176-63-72-46.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:53 -!- coinsmurf [~packet@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:53 -!- coinsmurf [~packet@96-66-250-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:57 -!- _whitelogger 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