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If a lower value coin can still retain a vibrant and functional economy and market, the one with sound fundamentals should get its chance to prove its superiority in less certain times. 00:05 -!- rajan123 [~rajan123@49.207.56.176] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:05 < geezas> As long as such an option remains, it doesn't have to be the one that's most frequently used. 00:05 < geezas> anyway, I'm going off tangent so I'll stop 00:06 -!- rajan123 [~rajan123@49.207.56.176] has quit [Client Quit] 00:08 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:08 < spectra|> having trouble comparing two uint256 types with equality operators 00:12 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:13 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Client Quit] 00:13 -!- rajan123 [~rajan123@49.207.56.176] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:16 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:20 -!- tromp 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esotericnonsense> if you have alternating work functions, e.g. block (n%2 == 0) on PoW0, block (n%2 == 1) on PoW1, i'd think you would have some extremely odd incentives regarding selfish mining 15:49 < esotericnonsense> if you let any of the permitted work functions be used for the solution of all blocks, then difficulty adjustments, re-orgs, seem to be intractable (which chain has more chainwork? what happens to the difficulty of PoW0 if a whole difficulty period is made up of PoW1?) 15:50 < esotericnonsense> I mean, chainwork isn't only useful for re-orgs, it's effectively what allows the system to function at all without uninterruptible network access 15:54 < esotericnonsense> i'd be interested in research on the subject if anyone has links :) 15:54 -!- adamperlow [~adamperlo@bzq-109-64-143-19.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:57 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:57 -!- adamperlow is now known as captainhindsight 15:57 -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57 < captainhindsight> Hi 15:58 < captainhindsight> It is quite the coincidence that I am logging on for the first time and see that multiple hash funcitons are being discussed 15:59 < kanzure> captainhindsight is usually in #linuxcnc 15:59 -!- str4d_ [~str4d@27.110.123.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:59 -!- geezas [uid253218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iuziwfveqluicbom] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:59 < captainhindsight> https://www.zenprotocol.com/files/multi_hash_mining.pdf 16:00 < captainhindsight> The proposal was initially developed to avoid the need for Bitcoin forks in the first place 16:06 -!- vicenteH [~user@35.233.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:14 -!- captainhindsight is now known as Mugs 16:20 -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30 -!- Mugs [~adamperlo@bzq-109-64-143-19.red.bezeqint.net] 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