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sure but i guess the best place to look is the paper on ringCT (Monero's thing) 11:59 < waxwing> the basic delta is the ring signature scheme that monero already had. although there were some details in their CT that were different (like using binary instead of base4 or base3 for the amount encoding) 11:59 < contrapumpkin> ah, it cites gmaxwell in the abstract 11:59 < contrapumpkin> so probably not too far off :) 12:00 < waxwing> sure. they originally planned a different range proof thing but it was busted, so they switched back to the borromean ring sigs design that CT had. 12:00 < contrapumpkin> cool 12:00 < contrapumpkin> will take a look at the paper, thanks 12:00 < contrapumpkin> didn't realize they'd actually put something like this out 12:10 -!- rmwb [~rmwb@2001:df0:ce:1601:3c77:e34d:d2aa:9a0e] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:14 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined 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