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sipa> if you make up to 4 errors (each of which overwrites a character), bech32 has a 100% guarantee of detecting it 10:49 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:50 < andytoshi> to contrast, the old scheme has a 1-2^-32 chance of detecting errors regardless of the extent of the error 10:52 < sipa> bech32 has a 1-2^30 chance of detecting unformly random errors (as in: give it a completely random steing, what is the chance it won't be acceptable) 10:53 < sipa> which is slightly worse than the base58check codes, but not in a way that matters 10:53 < sipa> we don't actually make errors that affect every character 10:56 < sipa> if you expect up to 3.53 errors per address, bech32 is better 10:56 < sipa> (which is a very pessimistic assumption already) 10:56 < sipa> i have a graph somewhere 10:57 < sipa> it's in this presentation: I'd like to share the prezi “'Bech32: a base32 address format'” with you. Please click the link to view it. 10:57 < sipa> https://prezi.com/gwnjkqjqjjbz/ 11:15 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wneufrtycugyagft] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:19 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:30 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:37 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:46 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c4:36a5:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:54 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58 < maaku> contrapumpkin: you mean like this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.0 12:00 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jbcelqlgyotewqzn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:03 -!- son0p [~ff@d50-92-132-122.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:03 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04 < andytoshi> a fixed point scriptpubkey would be like OP_DUP OP_SHA1 OP_EQUAL, but preventing miner theft would be hard . (i think the ones in maaku's link make no effort here?) 12:04 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:17 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:18 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c4:36a5:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:19 -!- s4toshi [~root@109.74.10.88] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:19 < s4toshi> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7k98rc/meme_major_bch_dumpening_incoming_20180101_when/ 12:20 < andytoshi> wrong channel, try #bitcoin-pricetalk or #bitcoin-forks 12:26 -!- s4toshi [~root@109.74.10.88] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 12:29 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:39 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:58 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-204-28-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:58 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:04 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:04 -!- metamarc [~cypher@unaffiliated/agorist000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:17 -!- sammi`_ [sammi@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-shcaqacymuekagab] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:18 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:21 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@31.164.85.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21 -!- tiagotrs [~tiago@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:21 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@xdsl-31-164-85-6.adslplus.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:25 -!- sammi` [sammi@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-eolmulhzjytbfeby] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:26 -!- son0p [~ff@d50-92-132-122.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:26 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@xdsl-31-164-85-6.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:27 -!- son0p [~ff@d50-92-132-122.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:27 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:28 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:31 -!- huntingcryptos [~huntingcr@176.81.119.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [] 13:33 -!- Fugazi [~Fugazi@2.223.51.147] has quit [] 13:34 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wneufrtycugyagft] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:40 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c2:38c0:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:49 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@xdsl-31-164-85-6.adslplus.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:52 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:04 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:08 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:18 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@xdsl-31-164-85-6.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19 -!- chjj [~chjj@unaffiliated/chjj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:20 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@xdsl-31-164-85-6.adslplus.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:44 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:54 < maaku> you could do it as a zkcp, but that requires interaction 14:55 < maaku> with tail-call you could have the collision or fixed point be a script 14:55 -!- wxss [~user@185.23.213.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:56 < maaku> that probably isn't too much of an extra burden, given that the script could have random pushes in it 14:57 -!- wxss [~user@5.254.89.173] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:00 -!- wxss [~user@5.254.89.173] has quit [Client Quit] 15:13 -!- j9m [~jm@47.157.125.55] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:24 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has 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