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closed the connection] 05:20 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:20 < contrapumpkin> are HD wallets such a good idea that pretty much all modern coins use them now? any notable exceptions? 05:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:25 -!- d9b4bef9 [~d9b4bef9@web501.webfaction.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:42 < sipa> contrapumpkin: i don't know 05:44 < sipa> if it weren't for the parent_extpub + child_private = parent_extprivate property, i'd say absolutely 05:50 < contrapumpkin> yeah :/ 05:50 < contrapumpkin> I wonder if anyone will come up with a fix for that, or if this is good enough 05:54 < sipa> i believe it is impossible to fix with judt EC crypto 05:55 < sipa> you can construct something where master keys are size 32*N bytes, which are secure as long as an attacker knows at most N-1 private child keys 05:57 < sipa> many years ago i asked Dan Boneh about this, and he came up with a solution that required pairing crypto 05:59 < contrapumpkin> if you ask boneh about crypto, you're going to get pairings in his answer :P 06:00 < contrapumpkin> not that that's necessarily bad :) 06:01 < contrapumpkin> it's nice to see him involved even tangentially in this community 06:07 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:26 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27 -!- yoctopede [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:33 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:36 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:41 -!- itsme_ 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10:31 < andytoshi> to the extent that they're talking about anything specific, i believe they're talking about the aggregate signature proposal that gmaxwell sipa and myself are working on 10:32 < andytoshi> but i think that's a pretty small extent :) 10:32 < contrapumpkin> have a link? trying to catch up with all the new stuff I missed over the past few years :P 10:32 < andytoshi> ed25519 would be a suboptimal thing to do for a lot of reasons, but a big one is that it uses a different curve with completely different addition formulae and would basically double the amount of core crypto code dependency 10:32 < contrapumpkin> ah 10:36 < andytoshi> sipa: might have a link, but to the best of my knowledge there isn't one yet .. the pure crypto part of things is basically the Bellare-Neven paper, but that's a small part of what's involved in bitcoin integration 10:37 < andytoshi> and _that_ needs much more discussion, on the ML and elsewhere, which hasn't happened yet 10:37 < andytoshi> i hope we'll spark that around the time of BPASE 2018 https://cyber.stanford.edu/bpase18 where we'll talk about some of our thoughts 10:38 < contrapumpkin> awesome 10:38 < andytoshi> belare-neven is https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~mihir/papers/multisignatures-ccs.pdf 10:38 < contrapumpkin> someone put a Bon.* requirement on program chairs 10:38 < andytoshi> lol 10:39 < contrapumpkin> thanks for the link :) 10:39 < waxwing> wouldn't it be correct to say that a Schnorr proposal would also include the use of Schnorr for single-signer cases? so not only B-N and friends? 10:40 < andytoshi> single-signer is a special case of B-N (though it might involve slightly goofier hashing than you'd have if you were only thinking about single-signer) 10:41 < waxwing> right so you use that as the general framework and just have the 1-1 case. fair enough. 10:41 < andytoshi> yup 10:43 < andytoshi> but the essential formula is identical: `R, s = R + eP` with `(s, R)` the sig, `P` the pubkey, and `e` a hash of R and P and the message 10:54 -!- son0p [~ff@d50-92-132-122.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56 -!- itsme__ [~textual@x4d04f622.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:09 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:12 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 11:13 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:16 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:18 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c2:96ac:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:19 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:43 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:07 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:09 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:15 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:16 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:16 -!- zshlyk [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:17 -!- propumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:18 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:20 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28 -!- propumpkin is now known as contrapumpkin 12:39 -!- cyberhugger [uid266293@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irbwvaaeolbqvpbx] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:43 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:48 -!- jb55 [~jb55@2605:8d80:4c2:96ac:a2af:bdff:fef0:c102] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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