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Thus, proof-of-stake reaching consensus depends on consensus existing beforehand. 04:53 < runeks> Essentially, proof-of-stake tries to reverse cause and effect: a token is scarce *because* consensus exists; consensus doesn’t come into existence because a token is scarce. Only consensus can result in scarcity of a decentralized digital token, so scarcity cannot be used as a presupposition for reaching consensus. 05:03 -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:24 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:25 < mryandao> ^ sounds like PoS is a logical fallacy 05:26 < mryandao> by circular reasoning. 05:28 -!- go1111111 [~go1111111@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/go1111111] has quit [K-Lined] 05:28 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28 -!- go1111111 [~go1111111@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/go1111111] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:29 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:32 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gsyktscbdfzaoxko] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:32 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:36 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:43 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:43 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:50 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:53 -!- cyberhugger [uid266293@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kbhbpdfbxzvowqga] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:55 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:09 -!- adiabat [~adiabat@45.63.20.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:15 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:17 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@cpc106809-live29-2-0-cust896.17-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:31 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:35 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:35 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:42 -!- wxss [~user@5.254.80.163] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:44 -!- user [~user@196.196.200.3] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:47 -!- wxss [~user@5.254.80.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:57 -!- user [~user@196.196.200.3] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 06:57 -!- wxss [~user@196.196.200.3] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:00 -!- doodle69 [~doodle@c110-22-2-112.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:06 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:08 -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:17 -!- doodle69 [~doodle@c110-22-2-112.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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