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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:06 -!- ghost43_ is now known as ghost43 08:06 -!- JackH [~laptop@91.189.61.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:11 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@50-0-95-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:15 -!- Giszmo [~leo@ip-108-236-219-201.nextelmovil.cl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:19 -!- JackH [~laptop@alvira.static.korbank.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:20 < kanzure> "Advisory: secret size attack on cross-chain hash lock smart contracts" https://gist.github.com/markblundeberg/7a932c98179de2190049f5823907c016 08:21 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@50-0-95-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:21 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@50-0-95-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:24 -!- thrmo [~thrmo@unaffiliated/thrmo] has quit [Quit: Waiting for .007] 08:25 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@50-0-95-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:39 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:45 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:56 -!- cryptojanitor [uid278088@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-brhsvlnkehplsbyn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:59 < kanzure> i wonder how lightning handles that. 09:00 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:08 < andytoshi> likely by only working on bitcoin 09:08 < AndyS2> hm, doesn't the 520 byte limit just make something non-standard, meaning a miner could do this attack even in decreds setup? 09:09 < andytoshi> last i looked at this issue (many months ago) nothing was vulnerable except some random ethereum things 09:11 < Varunram> AndyS2: seems like it, "The contracts do however lack size checks, meaning they will be exploitable when expanding to other cryptocurrencies" 09:11 -!- jb554 [~jb55@216-71-192-56.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:12 < kanzure> ah. 09:12 < kanzure> thanks. 09:12 < AndyS2> Varunram: hm, just checked the code, MAX_SCRIPT_ELEMENT_SIZE = 520 seems to be a constant that might prevent anything larger from being valid 09:13 < AndyS2> haven't looked into it further, just an impression 09:15 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:31 -!- licnep [uid4387@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzaweukebqffwtna] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:33 -!- nuncanada2 [~dude@187.65.68.254] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:34 -!- cryptojanitor [uid278088@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-twwgdusiimjpslue] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:35 -!- nuncanada [~dude@187.65.68.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:38 -!- marcoagner [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/marcoagner] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 10:03 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:11 -!- marcoagner [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/marcoagner] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:18 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:21 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:26 < maaku> kanzure: there's no reason for Alice to claim Bob's contract in some other random chain she didn't know about, which is the setup 10:26 < maaku> AndyS2: the 520 byte limit is consensus 10:26 < maaku> it's a rather important DoS limitation 10:28 < AndyS2> maaku: thank you. I checked the code a bit further and it really looks like it. I guess it can only ever be increased? 10:29 < AndyS2> nevermind, I guess you could make it more complicated, like other things 10:30 < kanzure> do you mean decreased 10:32 < AndyS2> nah, I meant increased. old blocks would stay valid if you increased it. a decrease however would need to become live at a certain block height else the old blockchain might become invalid :) 10:41 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:41 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:41 < luke-jr> AndyS2: making valid things invalid is a heck of a lot easier than making invalid things valid 10:42 < AndyS2> luke-jr: oh, why is that? 10:44 < sipa> making things invalid only requires a majority hashrate to enforce it initially (and a slower rampup of full nodes to orevent them from stopping the enforcement) to nit result in a permanent fork 10:45 < sipa> making things valid that weren't valid before alwaya requires every network participant to adapt their software before the change takes effect 10:46 < kanzure> also it's backwards compatible if you do decreases 10:47 < luke-jr> what sipa said, and you can deal with historical violations by having exceptions 10:47 < kanzure> at least from a node perspective... worst case is you might have some anti-dos banning stuff if a node is sending around large values or whatever. 10:47 < kanzure> (which could lead to partioning, which is a worse worst case) 10:47 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:48 < Eliel> Has anyone toyed with the idea of trying to design a mining algorithm through a process that involves LN protocol routing? 10:49 < AndyS2> hmm, I think I get it now. it's because old nodes would still follow the longest chain with stricter rules, whereas looser rules would cause a split. 10:49 < AndyS2> thanks 10:50 < sipa> AndyS2: bingo 10:53 < Eliel> (or rather, perhaps not a mining algorithm but a consensus process) 11:00 < Eliel> My intuition is telling me that the privacy properties in the routing algo potentially make it possible. 11:01 < Eliel> no idea how, just yet though. 11:01 < sipa> what are you trying to accomplish? 11:02 < Eliel> I just thought it'd be kind of beautiful if LN could be both a scaling mechanism as well an essential part of the consensus process. 11:03 < Eliel> no especial goal that I'm aware of 11:14 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@50-0-95-188.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20 -!- Murch [~murch@c-73-223-113-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:23 -!- marcoagner [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/marcoagner] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:37 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41 -!- wxss [~user@93.190.142.45] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:45 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:47 -!- son0p [~ff@152.200.173.132] has 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