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[~ff@152.201.176.220] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:08 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:13 -!- maxfp [c7e6cbfd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.199.230.203.253] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:14 -!- CheckDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ykjtbcakcknqhziu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:34 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:48 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@2601:184:417f:5f02:507f:e201:58fc:73d5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:49 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@2601:184:417f:5f02:507f:e201:58fc:73d5] has quit [Client Quit] 06:51 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@2601:184:417f:5f02:507f:e201:58fc:73d5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:00 -!- SopaXorzTaker [~SopaXorzT@unaffiliated/sopaxorztaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:09 < tromp> yes, including the public key in the signature challenge hash 07:15 -!- onabreak [55e4cfd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.228.207.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:20 -!- Bitcoin_ [6cd9577e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.217.87.126] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:21 -!- helo [~helo@unaffiliated/helo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:37 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@2400:4027:2bd5:1200:69ce:75e9:85b4:9450] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:38 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@2400:4027:2bd5:1200:69ce:75e9:85b4:9450] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:50 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:13 -!- dis [~dis@2a00:8620:201:221::cb3d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:15 -!- daszorz [~daszorz@188.94.18.118] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:16 < dis> hello, i'm currently trying to understand SIDH sigs (PQ isogeny j-function moonmath). they construct a signature scheme out of DH using commited coinflips, but the way the actual 0/1 commitments are communicated eludes me 08:16 < dis> https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/186.pdf 08:16 < dis> specifically this https://i.imgur.com/MLm7mE3.png 08:17 < dis> supposedly this isn't fiat-shamir, but some sort of other online to gain non-interactivity 08:17 < kanzure> .title https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/186 08:17 < yoleaux> Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2017/186 08:18 < dis> intuitively this looks intriguing, as it vaguely looks like one could use this for CT value commitments (not so sure about the homogeny for values yet with SIDH) 08:19 -!- roasbeef_ [~root@104.131.26.124] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:19 -!- espes___ [~espes@205.185.120.132] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:19 -!- Nightw0lf [~Nightwolf@v2201412760721964.yourvserver.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:19 -!- devrando1 [~devrandom@unaffiliated/niftyzero1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:20 -!- petertod1 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What would be wrong with making sequence_no and lock_time available to scripts, so that arithmetic could be performed on them. Or, might there be another way to do effectively the same thing using OP_CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY and OP_LOCKTIMEVERIFY 09:16 -!- dis [~dis@2a00:8620:201:221::cb3d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:18 < Chris_Stewart_5> bsm1175321: sequence number and locktime are available to scripts 09:18 < bsm1175321> Yaaay! 09:18 < Chris_Stewart_5> bsm1175321: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script/interpreter.h#L155-L172 09:19 < Chris_Stewart_5> i guess specifically the 'txTo' and 'nIn' are all you need to be able to parse out locktime and sequence number 09:19 < bsm1175321> I mean as a variable, to be used in arithmetic 09:20 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@2400:4027:2bd5:1200:69ce:75e9:85b4:9450] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:20 < Chris_Stewart_5> so like saved onto the stack? that might be a little more difficult 09:20 < bsm1175321> Yes. 09:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:21 < bsm1175321> Unless you can think of doing arithmetic with OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY and OP_CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY 09:21 < bsm1175321> I see no way to do lock_time+"1 week" for instance 09:22 < Chris_Stewart_5> yeah, unless you had some sort of looping mechanism I don't see how to do that 09:22 < bsm1175321> Can anyone think of a reason why OP_LOCKTIME (which puts lock_time on the stack) would be bad? 09:23 -!- kenshi84 [~kenshi84@2400:4027:2bd5:1200:69ce:75e9:85b4:9450] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:23 < bsm1175321> Equivalently OP_MEDIANTIMEPAST could be used to put median time past on the stack. Probably better... 09:24 < Chris_Stewart_5> bsm1175321: I guess if you are building the tx, why don't you just put it on the stack yourself? 09:25 < Chris_Stewart_5> ah, I guess it isn't consensus constrained it is equivalent though.. 09:30 -!- Guest36299 is now known as Chex 09:31 -!- jb55 [~jb55@64.114.30.74] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 -!- uiuc-slack2 [~uiuc-slac@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 -!- uiuc-slack [~uiuc-slac@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46 -!- Jeremy_Rand[m] [jeremyrand@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wvqcgzpbqqnycfqz] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:46 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:46 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47 -!- kinlo [~peter@unaffiliated/kinlo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:47 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:47 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.. just pub the pubkey in the hash 15:07 < andytoshi> there isn't really any downside 15:07 < andytoshi> and it makes reasoning about the sigs way simpler 15:09 -!- kinlo [~peter@unaffiliated/kinlo] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number] 15:09 -!- dis [~dis@2a00:8620:201:221::cb3d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:10 -!- kinlo [~peter@unaffiliated/kinlo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:11 -!- kinlo [~peter@unaffiliated/kinlo] has quit [Client Quit] 15:11 -!- kinlo [~peter@unaffiliated/kinlo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:12 < andytoshi> if you're trying to get space savings by using pubkey recovery, please don't, this will slow down verification in IBD by like 10x 15:13 < andytoshi> allow noninteractive aggregation instead, it gets the same space savings without breaking batch validation (though it does make caching a bit more complicated) 15:14 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:15 < 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