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11:25 < arubi> hey, can I prove to you that I know a signature for some message and pubkey without disclosing the message?  for example, first I give you ((r, s), P, zG) where (r,s) is the siganture, P is the pubkey and z is the message;  then I also prove knowledge of z by giving you a second signature where zG acts as a pubkey, and finally you check that 'zG == sR - rP' ?
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12:35 < waxwing> arubi, it sounds right to me (except P should be fixed ahead of the signature in the first bit, not handed over concurrently).
12:35 < waxwing> although it's quite mindbending and hard to understand what you're trying to do
12:42 < waxwing> you're saying you want to prove that you know the message to which this signature corresponds, and that the sig is valid for the given pubkey, not prove that you *know* a signature (i guess there's no way to make the latter make sense really, given a signature is (partly) a proof of knowledge itself).
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12:44 < arubi> yes, exactly.  I want to prove validity and also commit to all these values, but not disclose the message itself
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12:45 < arubi> the reason why I want this : https://joinmarket.me/blog/blog/coinswaps/ , specifically "Another privacy tweak appears impossible for now" , I feel that this might be possible if sighash noinput is merged
12:45 < waxwing> hmm why not just use a hash of the message? :) (which we do)
12:46 < waxwing> oh, ok.
12:46 < arubi> because I can't feed <hash message> to a scriptpubkey
12:46 < arubi> say the message is alice's spend out of her backout, and bob has to figure out a secret value when she does that
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12:47 < arubi> (I'm writing it all down in a way that's understandable, but since you asked... :) )
12:47 < waxwing> yeah. understood.
12:47 < waxwing> i mean, understood that it is not (yet) understood :)
12:50 < arubi> I'm gonna tidy things up and paste it at #coinswap, if not today than hopefully tomorrow
12:55 < arubi> oh, just to be a bit more clear, the secret message is alice's spend out of her backout transaction - her sighash basically.  bob doesn't have to know about it until it actually happens, but he can freely sign for the spend into the scriptpubkey that commits to a pubkey + noinput signature.  if she ever tries to redeem that scriptpubkey, the message is revealed and bob gains knowledge of a secret parameter  (well, hopefully)
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16:03 < roasbeef> arubi: see "a signature scheme with efficient protocols" perhaps? able to give a zkp that a commitment is one to a valid signature of another commitment
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21:14 < arubi> much appreciated roasbeef.  after talking to waxwing yesterday, it seems that I was overcomplicating it this proof might not be needed.  this is the gist : https://gist.github.com/fivepiece/d311b4621edb0149847d8c43e62fe52c
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22:37 < arubi> but really now that I understand that the whole "second message" setup was unneeded, it would probably just the same by making alice commit to k reuse, that is ((r1,s2), P1), in her backout scriptpubkey
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