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ZZZzzz…] 04:19 -!- rilos [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:33 -!- rilos_ [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:34 -!- rilos [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:37 < maaku> moneromooo: why would you ever choose TLS exccept to interop with an existing system? 04:48 < maaku> waxwing: elements alpha used Schnorr 04:49 < maaku> and since you're technically asking about signature algorithms not curves, cryptonote's ring signatures count 04:49 < waxwing> right. both different curve and different sig algo. 04:57 -!- rilos [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:57 -!- rilos_ [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:59 < moneromooo> That's kinda what I'm asking, yes (specifically vs that system I linked to). 05:08 -!- rilos [~rilos@unaffiliated/rilos] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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No one in their right mind should choose TLS for something new that requires interop 12:26 < maaku> Too much of an attack surface (complexity) 12:26 < maaku> *that doesn't require interop 12:27 < maaku> waxwing: well, does zcash's snark curves count as authentication? 12:27 < moneromooo> The opposite of... ? 12:28 < maaku> moneromooo: you asked why doesn't bip-151 specify "use SSL" 12:28 < moneromooo> Anyway, yes, complexity is one major difference. 12:28 < maaku> one very simple answer is complexity 12:28 < maaku> we kinda went down that route with X509 and payment protocol and everyone regrets it 12:28 < moneromooo> Oh ? Sorry, I did not mean to ask that. I meant to ask the pros and cons of each. 12:29 < maaku> waxwing: i would be interested in a supersingular isogeny curve for quantum resistance. i don't think anyone has looked at this though 12:29 < moneromooo> Complexity is important, but if the other happens to have a large flaw in some usage patterns, the complex one might be better in tht case. 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