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It’s not that kind of insecurity. (@mattblaze) 05:14 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:16 -!- TheoStorm [~dnaleor@host-lzquwqj.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:17 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:17 -!- TheoStorm [~dnaleor@host-lzquwqj.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:18 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:27 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:31 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:40 -!- abcbc [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:41 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:42 -!- abcbc [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42 -!- abcbc [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:43 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:46 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:49 -!- abcbc [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:51 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:55 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:01 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:04 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:04 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:04 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:08 < sdhand> Hi, is there any distinction between segwit multisig addresses and normal multisig addresses? Or would segwit multisig just mean the multisig address is wrapped in a P2WSH addr instead of a P2SH addr? 06:09 -!- Kaizen__ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:09 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:d450:b282:33b5:737c] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:09 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:13 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-54-194.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:13 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-54-194.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:13 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:14 -!- Kaizen__ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:18 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:23 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@unaffiliated/jcorgan] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:23 -!- jcorgan [~jcorgan@64-142-68-61.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:28 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:34 < jnewbery> sdhand: probably best to ask on #bitcoin or bitcoin stack exchange 06:35 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:36 < sdhand> jnewbery: sure, sorry 06:36 -!- dougsland [~douglas@c-73-234-93-65.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:36 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:37 -!- [d__d] [~d__d]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:40 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:45 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:49 -!- Kaizen_ 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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Xilinx-FPGA-Development-Board-ZYNQ-XC7Z015-Embed-Arm-Coretex-A9-PCIE-HDMI-AX7015/253562886409?epid=3018098938&hash=item3b09869909:g:X-UAAOSwuehbRu5u 14:53 < BlueMatt> lol, I still think there's more that could be done to optimize fibre before we resort to fpga-nics 14:54 < gmaxwell> Absolutely, but those are not terribly expensive. They are ZYNQ which are also easy to program relatively speaking. 14:57 < gmaxwell> Probably the most important thing would be making stats collection stop sucking. 15:01 < BlueMatt> you mean to get stats collection working again? 15:01 < gmaxwell> Yes. 15:01 < gmaxwell> well also even when it worked, it kinda sucked. :P 15:02 < BlueMatt> nah, you just needed to buy a laptop with more ram 15:02 < BlueMatt> problem was your laptop wasnt mauve, mauve blockchains have the most ram 15:02 < sipa> did you try using AI? 15:02 < gmaxwell> even on a host with 128GB ram, it was always pretty unusable. 15:03 < BlueMatt> meh, wfm 15:03 < gmaxwell> (probably worked in chrome, "but then you have two problems") 15:03 < sipa> what do you mean by stats? 15:03 < BlueMatt> wfm on firefox too :p 15:03 < BlueMatt> sipa: I have a complicated pipeline that parses fibre logs in bash and splits out an html file with gobs and gobs of data embedded in big javascript arrays in it 15:04 < BlueMatt> gmaxwell: was always mad it never loaded for him and just hung his browser, I just think he wasnt patient enough, or maybe my hardware was just better 15:04 < gmaxwell> and then plotted with some google graphing library that I think was transpiled from java code. 15:04 < gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I mean it did work for me, sometimes. 15:04 < BlueMatt> heh 15:04 < gmaxwell> After minutes of loading time. 15:04 < sipa> transpilation sounds like a compilation of transpiration and epilation 15:04 < gmaxwell> Also the json stuff was a mess, so it was hard to pull the data out and do anything with it. 15:04 < BlueMatt> anyway, it was never updated after migrating to have intermediate nodes that weren't real nodes in the network and thus didnt have debug logs 15:05 < BlueMatt> patches welcome :p 15:05 < gmaxwell> BlueMatt: how many of those "routing only" nodes do you have now? 15:05 < BlueMatt> 6 15:05 < BlueMatt> 6 servers, 6 routing only nodes 15:05 < gmaxwell> wow. 15:05 < BlueMatt> lots of paths within asia lol 15:12 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19 -!- Varunram [sid210151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eckgfsfaurkhrzdd] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19 -!- Varunram [sid210151@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rhoxavwjqbuhlnzd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:20 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 15:21 < gmaxwell> So someone do some thinking for me. I want to send a peer a message to send me the top of their mempool. But since I'm going to send this to each of my (say) 8 outpeers, I want them to send a subset, so I don't get the same data 8 times. So I could send values N,M, and have them send a transaction if (txid & ((1< But if I did that and 1 of my 8 peers was stupid and had no mempool, I'd miss 1/8th of the data. Sad. So instead, I want to arrange it so each of my N peers will send me 2/N of the data, arranged so that each item will be sent by two peers. 15:23 < gmaxwell> So then it that 2x overhead (way better than 8x overhead) but robustness against one braindead peer. 15:24 < gmaxwell> So assuming I just want to send two small parameters (along the lines of "how many peers I have" and "which peer are you"), which is the analog of (txid & ((1< The application is for this mempool catchup protocol spec I wrote a bit back: https://people.xiph.org/~greg/mempool_catchup.txt the masking it uses doesn't achieve the desired overlap (mostly because I realized midway though writing it that I want overlap). 15:26 -!- Traino [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:27 < gmaxwell> One obious construction would be send three parmeters, N, M, O and send txids (txid & ((1< (well, the wrong two bad peers, rather) 15:33 < gmaxwell> I believe it should be possible to achieve: any 1 bad peer, lose nothing, any 2 bad peers, lose 3.5%... (1/(peers choose overhead)). 15:36 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:38 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:40 < gmaxwell> Okay, I've got it. updating doc. 15:41 -!- lukedashjr is now known as luke-jr 15:51 < gmaxwell> (done) 15:56 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:00 -!- son0p [~ff@190.248.27.130] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:00 -!- michaelsdunn1 [~michaelsd@unaffiliated/michaelsdunn1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06 -!- abcbc [~Traino@2a07:5741:0:135b::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:08 -!- Kaizen_ [~kaizen_@2607:fea8:6c5f:e709:55b5:39bf:e0a0:95ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37 -!- Zenton [~user@54.104.135.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:12 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:23 -!- rusty 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