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Of am I missing something obvious? 10:45 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46 < maaku> It would have to be H(H(salt||preimage)) of course for the htlc contract to work 10:47 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:49 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-79-96-169.netcologne.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:49 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-79-96-169.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 10:49 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:51 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:53 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:53 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-79-96-169.netcologne.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:53 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-79-96-169.netcologne.de] has quit [Changing host] 10:53 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] 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Is this the appropriate channel to ask a Q about confidential transactions? 22:52 < ECH> From what I understand, a Confidential Transaction Address (CTA) is created via Base58Check (BTC address + blindingkey). 22:52 < ECH> If this is the case, couldn’t anyone who sees that your CTA received a tx simply find the blinding key cuz base58 is bidirectional? Then use that to audit your address? 22:53 < ECH> I feel like the answer to that is I need the private key to the blinding key to properly audit the tx. But I'm not sure why. 23:15 < maaku> ECH: this is the correct channel to discuss confidential transaction in, generally 23:16 < maaku> there is no address standard for confidential transactions not even a strawman proposal as far as I'm aware 23:16 < maaku> but base58 is irrelevant. the information in the address is USED to create the transaction output paying you, but it is not relayed in the transaction itself 23:17 < maaku> and no one knows your private key so, they can't recover the blinding factor from the ecdh commitment 23:22 < ECH> maaku: thanks for responding! 23:22 < maaku> ECDH is performed between the public key given in the CT address and an ephemeral key generated by the sender. the ephemeral key is committed to in the transaction, but to everyone else it might as well be random gobbledigook 23:23 < ECH> Ah IC. I think that's the part I'm missing. 23:23 < maaku> sender picks random number k, and random ephemeral secret key d. they put k*d*G in the transaction. the blinding factor is a hash of the resulting point 23:24 < maaku> *is a hash of the point resuling from k*d*(receiver public key) 23:25 < ECH> So I'm taking at the element's project for CT: https://elementsproject.org/elements/confidential-transactions/selective-disclosure.html 23:25 < maaku> which the receiver calculates as k*(receiver's private key)*(sender's public key) 23:25 < ECH> and in this it seems as if the blinding factor is built into the CTA. 23:25 < maaku> no one else can do this without the receiver's (blinding) private key 23:26 < ECH> Ah 23:28 < maaku> correction, receiver calculates as (receiver's private key) * (committed ecdh value) [where committed value was k*d*G] 23:29 < maaku> too late for me to explaining crypto :) 23:29 < ECH> Haha 23:29 < ECH> Was trying to think through that process. 23:34 < ECH> That was very helpful. Thanks Maaku 23:35 < maaku> ECH: (1) that link is blockstream documentation. blockstream uses base58 for the keys in their linquid product, but there isn't really any standard or strawman proposal that i'm aware 23:36 -!- p0nziph0ne [p0nziph0ne@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/p0nziph0ne] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:36 < maaku> i can tell you the people who designed that would not recommend it for broader use; it lacks all the niceties that bech32 addresses have 23:37 < maaku> but the bech32 polynomial's properties break down for addresses of CT length. so a new polynomial needs to be found and I don't think that work has been completed yet 23:38 < ECH> Yea. I was under the impression that they were trying it on liquid as a test to then possibly propose to core. I may have been mistaken. 23:38 < maaku> ECH: (2) that link is about exporting and importing CT *blinding keys* not addresses 23:39 < ECH> You know what the disconnect was for me? That I was treating CTA like standard BTC addresses. 23:39 < ECH> everything makes sense now 23:41 < ECH> So the CTA is what goes in blockchain as part of the UTXO. And it should be unique as the sender is creating the blinding factor. 23:41 < ECH> combined with your address. 23:41 < ECH> Dang okay. That works. 23:44 < maaku> So the procedure on that page is exporting private information which is all you'd need to see the amounts. but an address alone wouldn't help you 23:45 < ECH> Got it. 23:45 < maaku> CT addresses *are* a bit like bitcoin addresses. They have the information you need to send coins to the recipient. 23:45 < ECH> Yea. But the static property is what tripped me up 23:46 < ECH> or thinking they were static. 23:46 < maaku> I'm not sure what you mean by non-static? 23:47 < ECH> The CTA is a one time use address that's generated by a random number + an address right? 23:47 < ECH> So the random # should change. 23:48 < ECH> unless the sender repeatedly sent it to the same address and used the same # over and over again for multiple tx's. 23:49 < maaku> No to the details of that. Yes an address *should* be single use. But the "blinding" portion of an address is static in current CT implementations afaik 23:49 -!- p0nziph0ne [p0nziph0ne@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/p0nziph0ne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:49 < maaku> (static to the wallet, and which is actually a flaw that should be fixed if it isn't already) 23:49 < maaku> the CT address is a tuple of {blinding public key,