--- Log opened Sat Oct 06 00:00:29 2018 00:03 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@2605:6000:1019:41ab:8451:6be6:3872:9077] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:25 < jl2012> but this is probably not a good idea in general, because in the future, we may use something other than the BIP141-style witness script in the forward chain 00:26 -!- Murch [~murch@c-73-223-113-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:30 -!- Murch [~murch@c-73-223-113-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:37 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:37 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@wpsoftware.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:37 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:43 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:dd4e:da86:3bfc:156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:dd4e:da86:3bfc:156] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:47 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:dd4e:da86:3bfc:156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:dd4e:da86:3bfc:156] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@77.247.178.186] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:54 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:dd4e:da86:3bfc:156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:dd4e:da86:3bfc:156] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:56 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:f8b2:d56f:586e:dab7] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:59 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:f8b2:d56f:586e:dab7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:f8b2:d56f:586e:dab7] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:59 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:dd4e:da86:3bfc:156] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:04 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:05 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@194.210.91.110] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:09 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:f8b2:d56f:586e:dab7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:f8b2:d56f:586e:dab7] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:10 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:f8b2:d56f:586e:dab7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:f8b2:d56f:586e:dab7] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:13 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@194.210.91.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@194.210.91.110] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:18 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@194.210.91.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:27 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:28 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@136.243.139.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@136.243.139.96] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:29 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:f8b2:d56f:586e:dab7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 < maaku> jl2012: ah, good point! 01:34 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:35 < maaku> why would we use something other than BIP141-style witness script? 01:35 < maaku> I know of many proposed extensions, but not of any that don't look like a bunch of pushes 01:36 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@194.210.91.110] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:37 < jl2012> BIP141 is limited to 40 bytes. Some applications may need more. There's also only 16 free versions left 01:39 < jl2012> maybe we could expand it to 75 bytes in forward chain 01:43 -!- JackH [~laptop@host86-182-8-23.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:46 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:05 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:08 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:09 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:20 -!- sipa [~pw@gateway/tor-sasl/sipa1024] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:20 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:22 -!- sipa [~pw@gateway/tor-sasl/sipa1024] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:26 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6805:d6af:fcfe:894] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:28 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:e92f:4f6c:944e:e42b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:33 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:e92f:4f6c:944e:e42b] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:40 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6037:4180:cee9:9747] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:41 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:9110:91e6:ca7b:6b8e] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:44 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:6037:4180:cee9:9747] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:46 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:9110:91e6:ca7b:6b8e] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:47 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:ed28:772b:c1e6:e8b9] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:52 -!- weez17 [~isaac@unaffiliated/weez17] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:52 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:ed28:772b:c1e6:e8b9] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:52 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:318c:ca2a:64ab:1314] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:57 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:318c:ca2a:64ab:1314] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:08 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@77.247.178.186] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 03:15 -!- enemabandit [~enemaband@bl20-189-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:16 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@194.210.91.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@194.210.91.110] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:00 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@194.210.91.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@136.243.139.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@136.243.139.96] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:36 -!- wildermind [uid300433@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ttgsnwtifystmqbo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:04 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:07 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:07 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:24 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:34 -!- unifiedh [~unifiedh@ec2-13-125-219-99.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:50 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:540e:835b:b344:b457] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50 -!- Krellan [~Krellan@2601:640:4000:9258:71a3:eea3:fa92:9eb4] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:04 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2400:2410:a3a0:6100:f09a:f3c6:4989:eb80] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:09 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2400:2410:a3a0:6100:f09a:f3c6:4989:eb80] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:23 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:24 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:28 -!- triazo [~adam@104.168.155.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:52 < maaku> jl2012: put the "prefix" after both segwit script pushes and now you most of the 2-parameter stack manipulation opcodes too 07:54 < jl2012> but you will lose 0, 1ADD, 1SUB, NEGATE, ABS, NOT, 0NOTEQUAL 07:55 < jl2012> and lose DROP, because for current P2WPKH and P2WSH, you will have an OP_0 left 07:55 < maaku> A-HA! this is jogging my memory. I did go down this path some time ago and totally forgot. 07:55 -!- triazo [~adam@104.168.155.31] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:55 < maaku> Yeah some of the opcodes are tricky in that their validity would depend on assumptions about what the segwit pushes are 07:55 < maaku> So I went with a prefix instead 07:56 < jl2012> and in the extreme cases, RIPEMD160, SHA1, SHA256, HASH160, HASH256 may return false value 07:56 < maaku> But the segwit script version is more well defined, so I guess it's safe to put in the middle push 07:56 < maaku> which i hadn't thought of 07:57 < maaku> And besides... there's no reason you can't go with some prefixes being multi-byte pushes 07:58 < maaku> It was a cute optimization that happened to align with the other baseline parameters I choose, but you could do e.g. hundreds of shards with 2hr block times, which is another possibility I explored 08:07 < jl2012> if you allows multibyte, the better way is to concatenate the prefix with the actual script, making a single push from 2 to 75 bytes 08:09 < maaku> jl2012: unfortunately I already used up that trick with rebatable fees 08:09 < maaku> (which are needed for the flexcap, and since fees are more common than cross-shard transfers, they get dibs on the cool optimizations) 08:11 < jl2012> I haven't read it carefully yet, but you have to remember that no matter how you place your prefix, in the legacy chain these UTXOs can't be spent with witness. 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16:34 < waxwing> i remember reading that 1.2.2 ages ago, but was confused as it referred to 'l' as well as 't' in the example numbers, but only actually used t=80 16:35 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@209.58.129.100] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:09 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@136.0.0.196] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:12 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:24 -!- ynakasone [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:c53d:38b6:6880:f1d8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:24 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:30 -!- ynakason_ [~ynakasone@2001:df0:eb:2f00:c4a8:d075:52d0:4a64] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:31 -!- weez17 [~isaac@unaffiliated/weez17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31 -!- dstadulis [~dstadulis@136.0.0.196] has quit 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