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00:19 < Varunram> A deep dive into blockchain selfish mining: https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/1084.pdf
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09:03 < nsh> (i think this has been raised before but i can't remember the consensus) what difficulties would there be with nodes cryptographically attesting to their consensus logic somehow? [using NIZK proofs or maybe there's a simpler way?] at present there is signalling which is pretty much taken on faith, and then there are observed behavioural differentials when some edge-case block/network-event happens, but it's impossible to predict the latter in advance in
09:03 < nsh> general
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12:10 < Taek> you mean something like using starks to prove blocks are valid?
12:11 < Taek> with that approach the problem is either you have trusted setup, or it takes wayyyyy too much work to make a proof, or more commonly both
12:12 < Taek> I believe that there are groups right now working on a blockchain that can be feasible proven in starks though, which significantly improves bootstrapping time and cost
12:12 < Taek> At this point, you can't do it with Bitcoin, you have to use consensus rules that are designed to be stark friendly
12:12 < sipa> Taek: starks don't have trusted setup; snarks do
12:12 < Taek> right
12:13 < sipa> but they're huge
12:13 < Taek> If I remember correctly, proving time with starks scales better than with snarks as well?
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16:18 < JackH> is botbotme down? I am looking for past discussions in here about the coda protocol (if there ever was any)
16:29 < andytoshi> JackH: yes, the EU forced it to shut down about a week ago
16:30 < JackH> what?
16:30 < andytoshi> https://lincolnloop.com/blog/saying-goodbye-botbotme/
16:32 < JackH> this is ridiculous
16:32 < andytoshi> yes it is. unfortunately afaik nobody has hosted a new instance (i would but my server's uptime is abysmal and i'd rather people not start depending on it..)
16:33 < JackH> it was the best way to find any topic we discussed in here over the years, and was a goldmine
16:33 < JackH> is there a copy anywhere?
16:34 < andytoshi> you can ask the botbot folks for a copy of their db .. or i'm sure somebody here can upload a gzip of their logs
16:34 < JackH> I might even do this
16:35 < JackH> we generally had issues keeping track of all that is happening and apart from kanzures ftp this place was the best we had for a collective log
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18:28 < kanzure> JackH: http://gnusha.org/logs/bitcoin-wizards/ and others available
18:28 < kanzure> uh. http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/
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