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kind-of-base256 part where the leading input zero bytes are encoded to "1" characters in the base58 output string, 05:28 < Jmabsd> followed by "proper base58 encoding" where each % 58 part is translated to one character from this character set "123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz" 05:28 < Jmabsd> as you see, % 58 = 0 leads to a "1" base58 character. 05:29 < Jmabsd> i'm asking myself now, since there is an overlap between the base256 prefix and the base58 body encoding phases of the output character "1", 05:30 < Jmabsd> isn't there some possible input byte sequence that starts with a non-0x00 byte, that still would output a "1" as first base58 output character? 05:30 < Jmabsd> maybe there's not, but i don't understand why not, and https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Base58Check_encoding#Creating_a_Base58Check_string does not discuss it. 05:32 -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@2604:2000:e882:c800:89d3:7101:22b8:2d03] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:35 -!- IGHOR [~quassel@93.178.216.72] 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constant time code is 'hard' and so people just don't bother. 13:26 < gmaxwell> I've recently been in several discussions where people are taking a position, "why bother with schnorr, there is threshold ECDSA now" to which I reply "implementing it is obnoxious and risky and it has high overheads" to which I am now getting "oh there is an implementation now <...>" Of course, the implementation is inevitably non-constant time in every respect. 13:32 < andytoshi> plus it's only 2-of-2, and it's written in a language with an invasive runtime which has a very hard time interoperating with other languages.. 14:01 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@host86-145-25-239.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:01 -!- thrmo [~thrmo@gateway/tor-sasl/thrmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:07 -!- wizkid057 is now known as wk057 14:07 -!- wk057 is now known as wizkid057 14:12 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:15 -!- thrmo [~thrmo@gateway/tor-sasl/thrmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:16 -!- shesek [~shesek@185.3.147.193] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:16 -!- shesek [~shesek@185.3.147.193] has quit [Changing host] 14:16 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:22 -!- Murch [~murch@p579488D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:24 < waxwing> preferring ecdsa2-2 over schnorr is slightly bizarre: let's take something that's got extra security assumptions over schnorr and is more complicated, and make it a *lot* more complicated with even more security assumptions :) only good thing is you can do it right now without changing bitcoin. 14:25 -!- michaelsdunn1 [~michaelsd@unaffiliated/michaelsdunn1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26 < sipa> there is one justified advantage to it IMHO, namely that it provides an anonimity set that includes all current Bitcoin single key spends 14:28 < waxwing> yeah, i def love it for that. 14:32 -!- ruby32__ [~ruby32@158.106.219.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:41 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 14:43 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-135-248.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:45 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:47 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-100-15-135-248.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:49 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:55 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-217-103-3-94.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:04 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:09 -!- fabianfabian [~fabianfab@D9656CCE.cm-27.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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