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(www.adiirc.com)] 14:12 < arubi> I'm confused by the recent talk on the ML about sighash noinput\scriptmask\op_mask when mentioned in taproot\schnorr setting. basically, a great use of noinput and script masking is the ability to sign everything except the pubkey itself (be it explicitly in the tx, scriptcode or in the input txid digest). 14:12 < arubi> but a schnorr signature per the bip does explicitly encode the pubkey in 'H(R||P||m)', so what was gained in using masking and noinput in the sigash 'm'? 14:14 < sipa> arubi: the ability to change something other than the pubkey in a script 14:14 < sipa> eltoo relies on that 14:15 < arubi> but sipa isn't eltoo also relying on changing the pubkey? 14:18 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:23 -!- thomasanderson [~thomasand@2605:a601:b021:f00:d943:c0b9:80e8:b3e8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:26 < sipa> arubi: no 14:26 < sipa> that wouldn't work 14:28 -!- 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