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08:15 < andytoshi> mappum_: i think what you're describing is equivalent (or implies, at lesat) identity based encryption
08:16 < andytoshi> IOW, it appears impossible without pairings :(
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08:20 < andytoshi> re bulletproofs, waxwing  has a writeup here https://joinmarket.me/static/FromZK2BPs_v1.pdf that is more accessible than the original paper
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08:21 < andytoshi> there are also really good docs here https://doc.dalek.rs/develop/bulletproofs/index.html by hdv though i'm not sure how easy they are to navigate if you don't already understand bulletproofs
08:21 < waxwing> there've been a few minor corrections as per pdf here: https://github.com/AdamISZ/from0k2bp (although download it; for some reason doesn't display correctly on github itself).
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12:36 < waxwing> i hope i'll be forgiven for whimsy in this rather serious channel :) the other day i was discussing with belcher that in a simulation, PoW might still convey its value, but then i contradicted myself thinking, hmm, what if in the simulation computers were programmed to lie about the outputs of hash functions. it's just occurred to me that that's exactly how ZK security proofs work :)
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12:36 < waxwing> e.g. an Extractor controls the environment of a prover and makes up the output of a random oracle and "lies" about it.
12:37  * waxwing wonders if it's possible to create a ZKP that we're living inside a simulation.
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12:55 < kanzure> uh oh waxwing just proved himself out of existence
12:56  * kanzure resets waxwing
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12:59 < waxwing> as long as you don't apply the forking lemma to me and make multiple copies, we're fine.
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13:04 < kanzure> as long as you don't apply the forking lemma to me and make multiple copies, we're fine.
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14:57 < adlai> [crypto]currencies are much more effective as tools for coordinating/optimizing your simulation if they actually work as advertised
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14:58 < adlai> obviously nothing precludes the operation of a "pointless" simulation, other than power bills; and then you're back to PoW, one level higher on the simulation stack.
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