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11:18 < shush> I'm trying to learn how mimblewimble works. This intro is nice, but falls apart as it's not complete (https://github.com/mimblewimble/grin/blob/master/doc/intro.md)
11:19 < shush> My main concern so far with the intro is at https://github.com/mimblewimble/grin/blob/master/doc/intro.md#change
11:20 < shush> It mentions previously that the input's private key is given to Carol, so why would she allow any change commitment in the transaction?
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11:59 < fluffypony> shush: I got you
12:00 < fluffypony> https://tlu.tarilabs.com/protocols/mimblewimble-1/sources/PITCHME.link.html
12:00 < fluffypony> also https://tlu.tarilabs.com/protocols/grin-protocol-overview/MainReport.html
12:00 < fluffypony> and for good measure, https://tlu.tarilabs.com/cryptography/bulletproofs-and-mimblewimble/MainReport.html
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12:33 < shush> Heavy
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14:24 < uiuc-slack> <suryab> Test
14:24 < gmaxwell> Test failed.
14:25 < uiuc-slack> <suryab> Can someone lmk what my handle comes up as? I hear is got a "uiuc" prefix
14:25 < gmaxwell> 14:25:13 < uiuc-slack> <suryab> Can someone lmk what my handle comes up as? I hear is got a "uiuc" prefix
14:25 < uiuc-slack> <suryab> Thanks
14:26 < gmaxwell> (it's really preferable to use irc by using IRC.  these gateways are only minimally tolerated)
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14:32 < uiuc-slack> <suryab> I don't use this but someone added this to our slack group so.... Wanted to try it out
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14:36 < uiuc-slack> <suryab> i guess on that point is there something intolerable about using gateways to talk on bitcoin wizards? It seems the only hurdle is the extra string prepended to all of our messages
14:36 < uiuc-slack> <suryab> so for other, non-gateway, users it really doesn't pose any burden?
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16:12 < midnightmagic> suryah: The problem is that there's no way to address individual problematic users at the other side of the gateway, and typically when we ban a gateway because we have no way to ban a problem user at the other end of the gateway, all the other users who've come to depend on the gateway get "punished" and in nearly all cases are upset that they're being "punished" for the actions of a
16:12 < midnightmagic> single jerk. So we get double the blowback, plus the blame when something out of our control goes wrong with the gateway. And there's absolutely no idea who's over there; and you have no idea who's over here, so how do you know whether your message to gmax is even being delivered to his client. Just in general based on how easy it is to use an IRC client, it's better to connect to freenode
16:12 < midnightmagic> yourself. (Plus slack gateways tend not to render rich text and images so well in text-only IRC.)
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17:30 < uiuc-slack> <suryab> Makes sense
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