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#bitcoin-wizards 01:35 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-85-197-40-79.nc.de] has quit [Changing host] 01:35 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:35 -!- davec [~davec@cpe-24-243-249-218.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:35 -!- rockhouse [~rockhouse@unaffiliated/rockhouse] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:39 -!- schmidty [~schmidty@unaffiliated/schmidty] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:42 -!- another1 [~mckenney@cpe-98-144-91-186.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:02 < waxwing> i did a writeup on ring signatures, comments/critiques welcome https://joinmarket.me/blog/blog/ring-signatures/ 02:03 < gmaxwell> Don't be mad once you see that he want it. 02:04 < gmaxwell> waxwing: I believe the name actually comes from a keyring. 02:06 < gmaxwell> (which I never thought made much sense) 02:06 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:06 < gmaxwell> oh no, the shamir page is as you describe it. 02:07 < gmaxwell> paper 02:07 < waxwing> you mean the source of the naming? 02:07 < waxwing> i didn't even discuss "group signature", i didn't want to get lost in that. wanted to get lost in other stuff :) 02:12 < gmaxwell> you might want to discuss the kind of "ring signature" that has the log(n) scaling... (which I think all are functionally equivilent to a ZKP of validating pubkey membership in a hashtree, and a signature with it) 02:12 < waxwing> oh. sounds interesting. where can i read about that? 02:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:20 < gmaxwell> waxwing: hopefully someone with a memory will reply. 02:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:24 < gmaxwell> it's trivial in any case-- assuming you take a general ZKP system as a building block--, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1152901.msg12146948#msg12146948 02:28 < waxwing> oh, nice. so you blind the keys, merkle tree them, and then zkp membership and blinding or something. 02:28 < waxwing> did i understand that right, so you don't need to mess around with zkp of hash preimage? 02:28 < gmaxwell> the general ideal is that you have some hashtree (ideally using a hash that is fast in your zkp) over all the keys in the ring. And inside the ZKP you traverse the tree to select a member, then great a reblinding of the key P2. e.g. so you prove P in Tree && P2 = H(P||random)G + P ... then present the ZKP and a signature with the reblinding. OR, if it's cheap enough in your zkp just prove 02:28 < gmaxwell> knoweldge of P's DL directly. 02:29 -!- Deinogalerix21 [~Deinogale@89.238.176.150] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.4] 02:31 < waxwing> oh,so it does need zkp hash preimage, i see. so having to do that a ton probably implies one of your weird ec-based hashes, i take it :) 02:32 < gmaxwell> yea if you want it to be fast... 02:33 < gmaxwell> conceptually you could just use sha256. 02:33 < gmaxwell> There are more direct constructions that don't invoke a general zkp. 02:33 < gmaxwell> But I'm not having luck finding the paper right now. 02:33 < gmaxwell> but they're functionally equal. 02:34 < gmaxwell> maybe faster to verify. 02:48 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 02:53 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-g4sn8hj.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:03 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:04 -!- spinza [~spin@155.93.246.187] 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