--- Log opened Sat Jun 22 00:00:49 2019 00:00 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:06 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:25 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:30 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:33 -!- oopsydanger [~oopsydang@42.60.170.197] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:35 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:39 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:39 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:57 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:59 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:00 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:00 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:05 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@b9.7c.089f.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:06 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:15 -!- bildramer1 is now known as bildramer 01:35 -!- oopsydanger [~oopsydang@42.60.170.197] has quit [Quit: oopsydanger] 01:43 -!- sfhi2 [~sfhi@b9.7c.089f.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:43 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:46 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@b9.7c.089f.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:59 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@b9.7c.089f.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:00 -!- flound1129 [~flound112@185.59.221.95] has quit [] 02:02 -!- sfhi2 [~sfhi@b9.7c.089f.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:21 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:21 -!- engil1 [~engil@185.204.1.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:24 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:38 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-phyadb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:48 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-227-74.dab.02.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:03 -!- michaelfolkson [~textual@82-132-227-74.dab.02.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep mode] 03:17 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 03:21 -!- emilengler [~emilengle@unaffiliated/emilengler] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:22 -!- oopsydanger [~oopsydang@42.60.170.197] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:25 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26 -!- lookingfortom [51da93e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.218.147.229] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:26 < lookingfortom> Anybody knows what date exactly did Tom Elvis Jedusor post his paper here? 03:34 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@b9.7c.089f.ip4.static.sl-reverse.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35 -!- oopsydanger [~oopsydang@42.60.170.197] has quit [Quit: oopsydanger] 03:42 -!- oopsydanger [~oopsydang@42.60.170.197] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:49 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:55 < meshcollider> lookingfortom: the mimblewimble text is dated 19 July, 2016 03:56 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-phyadb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57 < meshcollider> it was posted here at 21:35 on 2/8 http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2016-08-02.log 03:57 < meshcollider> 1/8 sorry http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-wizards/2016-08-01.log 04:26 < lookingfortom> Ah thank you friend, that's why I haven't found it; It says the name of the person is "majorplayer" 04:33 < lookingfortom> Do you know why the name is different than what I've known? 04:34 -!- oopsydanger [~oopsydang@42.60.170.197] has quit [Quit: oopsydanger] 04:36 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:38 -!- oopsydanger [~oopsydang@42.60.170.197] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:42 -!- thomasan_ [~thomasand@108-91-143-73.lightspeed.rlghnc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:53 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 04:54 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-phyadb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:55 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-phyadb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00 -!- engil1 [~engil@185.204.1.185] has quit [] 05:00 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:00 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:00 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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#bitcoin-wizards 21:41 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:49 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:50 < elichai2> Couple of thoughts about taproot. 21:50 < elichai2> 1. We can optimize the keys length to 32 by using the same restriction we use for the nonce. 21:50 < elichai2> 2. There wasn't any formal definition for `compact_size` but I think the size should be a constant size. Otherwise you maybe(?) could make a collision by moving the last bit of the size to the script if you could somehow make it valid (I need to think about it more tomorrow) 21:50 < elichai2> 3. Why reject unknown hash_type instead of just not caching and hashing it on demand if needed? 21:50 < elichai2> 4. Do we really need so many different ways to have future upgrades? (tx version, segwit version, annex, first byte of control block, epoch, hash_type(?) ) 21:59 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:02 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:03 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:04 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.3 - https://znc.in] 22:04 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:08 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:35 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:37 < sipa> 1. yes, there is a discussion on the ml about that 22:38 < sipa> 2. compact_size is defined by the existing bitcoin protocol; it's variable length, but that is ok; a good rule of thumb is that if you'd be able to deserialize the data being written into the hasher, it's collision free 22:39 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:39 < sipa> 3. that's a mild DOS attack, allowing an attacker to make the verifier perform a lot more uncachable hashes (one per hash_type, so reducing the number of valid options helps) 22:40 < sipa> 4. probably not, but almost all of them are very cheap in terms of additional complexity in consensus rules 22:41 < sipa> they also all have different scope (except the leaf version and op_success, which accomplish kind of the same thing; but the bits were available, so it'd be silly for force them to a certain value instead of permitting them as an uograde mechanism) 22:44 -!- surja795 [~sourabh@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:00 -!- epicfail^ [~epicfail^@195.206.169.238] has quit [] 23:02 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06 -!- mrdocs [~mrdocs@178.162.204.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:08 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:12 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:13 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:13 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Client Quit] 23:18 < elichai2> I'll look at the existing compact_size, curious how it's deserializable (although I might be missing something obvious right now, it is 2am lol) 23:19 < elichai2> It's just weird that i.e sometimes we use a whole byte to check for point parity and sometimes just one bit 23:20 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:24 < sipa> elichai2: learn how variable length integers work 23:25 < sipa> they're already used everyone in the protocol 23:25 < sipa> (number of tx in a block, number of inputs/outputs, ...) 23:27 < sipa> a different type of variable length integers are used inside script 23:27 < elichai2> It's just that sha3 tuplehash RFC talks about appending variable length and then constant length of the length so I wondered but I'll look into it more 23:27 < sipa> bitcoin core uses yet another type of variable length integers inside the utxo set storage 23:27 < sipa> the best known variable length integer encoding is probably utf-i, which uses yet another type 23:28 < sipa> protobuf uses one as well for pretty much everything 23:33 < elichai2> Ha that's actually a pretty cool thing. So this can take at the very least one byte, right? 23:33 < sipa> yes 23:33 < elichai2> Interesting why tuplehash didn't use that 23:33 < elichai2> sipa: cool 23:34 < sipa> the bitcoin variable length integer is pretty stupid 23:34 < sipa> there are nicer constructions 23:34 < elichai2> Thanks for the answers, I hope I'm not bothering you too much :) 23:35 < elichai2> Is there any one in specific you are thinking of? 23:38 < sipa> the bitcoin one is just encoding 0-252 as that byte itself, 253 indicates a 16-bit number follows, 254 means a 32-bit number follows, 255 means a 64-bit one follows 23:38 < sipa> it's good when almost all values are in range 0-252 23:39 < elichai2> Yeah, otherwise you could just use the last bit to signal if you should interpret the next bit too 23:39 < elichai2> Without saying how many more 23:39 < sipa> i think the most common construction is thr BER one 23:39 < sipa> it stores 7 bits per byte, plus one bit that says whether another byte follows 23:40 < sipa> that's also used in protobuf 23:41 < elichai2> Exactly. Idk why I've never heard/thought of that. I always tried to use constant size sizes when hashing (mostly just 64bit because it isn't feasible to have a byte array that it's length is 2^64) 23:44 < sipa> what encoding is best depends on the cirfumstances 23:44 < sipa> the utf8 one is pretty clever 23:45 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Log closed Sun Jun 23 00:00:49 2019