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08:28 < t-bast> hey guys, I have another question about scriptless scripts, probably for nickler again (this time, regarding the perdersen swap)
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08:29 < t-bast> in https://github.com/apoelstra/scriptless-scripts/blob/master/md/pedersen-swap.md#protocol-rationale it says that the seller can't just use r*G as auxiliary point because the buyer would learn Q - r*G = x*H and could brute-force x
08:29 < t-bast> but brute-forcing x means solving dlog right? so it's very expensive
08:30 < t-bast> if the buyer can brute-force x, he can also brute-force the seller's private key and authorize any spend, can't he?
08:31 < t-bast> or is H different from "just another generator" and easier to solve dlog for?
08:31 < nickler> In the commitment x doesn't have to be a uniformly random scalar, it can be from a much smaller set, f.e. 0 or 1 in coinflipping.
08:31 < t-bast> ah gotcha, that makes sense
08:32 < t-bast> thx for the quick answer, maybe it's worth clarifying this is the rationale?
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08:33 < nickler> good idea
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11:21 < waxwing> t-bast, just fwiw that's a standard part of a commitment scheme (without randomness you lose the hiding property). there's just a funny detail that if what you're committing to happens to be a randomly generated value in the input space, then it's redundant to add more.
11:22 < waxwing> that latter case applies when doing something like a scriptless script swap, where the secret you're committing to can be pure randomness.
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