--- Log opened Mon Jul 08 00:00:04 2019 00:05 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:06 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:10 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:15 -!- tromp [~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:7178:5b3:1c01:e940] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:16 -!- Livestradamus [~Livestrad@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has quit [Quit: Livestradamus] 00:16 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:16 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:21 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:21 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:22 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:22 -!- Livestradamus [~Livestrad@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:28 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-phyadb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:31 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:32 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:32 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:36 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:37 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:40 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:45 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:47 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:47 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:48 -!- tromp [~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:7178:5b3:1c01:e940] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:56 -!- dgpv [58631edb@static.219.30.99.88.clients.your-server.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:57 -!- tromp [~tromp@2a02:a210:1585:3200:7178:5b3:1c01:e940] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:59 < dgpv> if you change behaviour for SIGHASH_NOINPUT so that it ignores only the current input, and to ignore all inputs you need NOINPUT|ANYONECANPAY, 01:00 < dgpv> you could create a script that would require certain UTXO to be spent along with the currently spending 01:01 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:01 < dgpv> you create NOINPUT_SINGLE signature with a known key, and include it in scriptPubKey (or check a hash of it in scriptpubkey) 01:02 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:02 < dgpv> because it does not commit to the current input, there should not be circular dependency 01:03 < dgpv> if you can force that certain UTXO2 must be spent along with other particular UTXO1, you can revoke the rights to spend UTXO1 without moving it, by spending UTXO2 01:06 < dgpv> I wonder if you can emulate SECURETHEBAG with NOINPUT with the same scheme 01:06 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:06 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:07 < dgpv> you include a NOINPUT signature of the known key in the scriptPubKey, and check it. This signature commits to the outputs, and does not commit to the inputs 01:07 < dgpv> the key can be publicitly known, because what we need is just the signature to be correct for the hash of the tx without inputs 01:08 -!- ccdle12 [~ccdle12@cpc139350-aztw33-2-0-cust310.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:09 < dgpv> so you will be able to force the transaction to have particuar inputs or particular outputs (or both, with two such signatures), without additional opcodes like SECURETHEBAG 01:11 < dgpv> the script would be CHECKSIG CHECKSIG 01:12 < dgpv> the script would be CHECKSIG CHECKSIG 01:12 < dgpv> do I miss something obvious ? 01:19 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:20 < dgpv> s/scriptPubKey/redeemScript/ obviously, skp would be standard p2sh/p2wsh etc 01:20 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:23 -!- sanket1729 [~sanket172@c-73-93-174-216.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:28 -!- darosior [6dbe8dc1@193-141-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:33 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:39 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:43 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:44 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:47 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:48 < dgpv> > include a NOINPUT signature of the known key 01:50 < dgpv> obviously the nonce should also be known/fixed, but we do not care that anyone can create such signature, we care that it forces inputs/ouptus to be fixed 01:51 < dgpv> this signature is the part of redeemscript 01:55 -!- reallll is now known as belcher 01:57 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has quit [Quit: o/] 01:57 -!- setpill [~setpill@unaffiliated/setpill] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:00 -!- DARKNE55 [~DARKNE55@141.98.101.133] has quit [] 02:00 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-89-0-48-98.nc.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:03 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-89-0-48-98.nc.de] has quit [Changing host] 02:03 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:04 < dgpv> oh, sighash includes the script, and if we include even a fixed signature in it, we get circular dependency. So this won't work :-/ 02:09 -!- dgpv [58631edb@static.219.30.99.88.clients.your-server.de] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 02:14 -!- dgpv [58631edb@static.219.30.99.88.clients.your-server.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:20 -!- lordnoid1 [~lordnoid@104.254.90.243] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:21 < dgpv> aj talked about the same idea in mailing list, "SIGHASH_ANYPREVOUTANYSCRIPT". if you can have 'IGNOREPREVOUT' sighash flag you can then have NOINPUT via IGNOREPREVOUT|ANYONECANPAY and IGNOREPREVOUT|ANYONECANPAY|NOSCRIPT would be the same as SIGHASH_ANYPREVOUTANYSCRIPT 02:23 < dgpv> and if you want to commit to inputs and have this 'transfer/revoke the right to spend utxo without moving it' you could use IGNOREPREVOUT|NOSCRIPT|NONE 02:25 -!- sanket1729 [~sanket172@c-73-93-174-216.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:29 < dgpv> because the signature does not commit to the script, you can use "

CHECKSIG" script. 02:31 -!- Aaronvan_ is now known as AaronvanW 02:31 < dgpv> Turns out I use the chat to think aloud again. Sorry for the noise. 02:38 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:44 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:45 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:49 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:09 -!- shesek [~shesek@141.226.145.179] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:09 -!- shesek [~shesek@141.226.145.179] has quit [Changing host] 03:09 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:10 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:16 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:20 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:26 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 03:28 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:29 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:39 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:41 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:03 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:08 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:15 -!- starsoccer [starsoccer@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/starsoccer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:42 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:47 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:47 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-phyadb.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:49 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:49 < Blackwolfsa> Hi, I am playing around with idea of payment channels in MimbleWimble. If you have 1 commitment on chain (lets call it VH + kG), which is 2 commitments summed together form the sidechain (lets call them VaH+ kaG and VbH+kbG). So in effect you have VH + kG = (Va+Vb)H + (ka +kb)G. If (VaH+ kaG) and (VbH+kbG) both have a valid bulletproof. Is it possi 04:49 < Blackwolfsa> ble to present a bulletproof for Vh+kG without the owners of both (VaH+ kaG) and (VbH+kbG) being online? 04:50 < Blackwolfsa> Or even a differant rangeproof like Zk-snarks, for that matter... 04:51 -!- phwalkr [~phwalkr@2001:1284:f016:5a52:5a2:78ad:11cf:2b29] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:59 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:00 -!- lordnoid1 [~lordnoid@104.254.90.243] has quit [] 05:03 -!- dgpv [58631edb@static.219.30.99.88.clients.your-server.de] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 05:04 -!- stranger64 [~stranger6@195.206.169.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:09 -!- yushengzhou [~Thunderbi@183.134.164.160] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:29 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:35 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38 -!- llfourn [~llfourn@n114-73-101-240.sbr1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:43 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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ZZZzzz…] 08:11 -!- hugohn [~textual@rrcs-184-74-240-156.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:14 -!- ermau [~ermau@141.98.101.133] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:19 -!- yushengzhou [~yushengzh@183.134.164.160] has quit [Quit: yushengzhou] 08:31 -!- yushengzhou [~root@101.132.74.90] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:32 -!- starsoccer [starsoccer@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/starsoccer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48 < waxwing> if you sum two commitments to values v_a and v_b, and you have proof that each are < N, then the summed commitment is proven to be to a value < 2N. 08:48 < waxwing> but thats just the dumb "show both original proofs", i guess one could do better. aggregation after the fact, i guess, doesn't quite work, but .. not sure. 08:49 < sipa> actually even value < 2N-1 08:49 < waxwing> (in the sense that you apparently want no involvement of the original parties in construction of new proof) 08:54 -!- sfhi [~sfhi@178.255.154.107] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:55 < Blackwolfsa> Yeah the idea is not to involve the parties 08:56 < Blackwolfsa> They have created their commitments with valid proofs so you know they are valid. 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