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00:14 < nick_freeman> very interesting!
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06:14 < kabaum> What does "master key fingerprint" actually refer to in BIP174? Must it be the fingerprint of the root key or can it be the fingerprint of any node in the tree? I'm asking because at PSBT_OUT_BIP32_DERIVATION it says "[The derivation path] must omit the index of the master key.", which confuses me because the master key doesn't have an index.
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15:06 < nick_freeman> I just read your explanation why substr is disabled https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/48695/why-is-op-substr-disabled-and-op-left-op-right
15:07 < nick_freeman> It's a pity OP_SUBSTR is disabled because it would enabled you to commit to R values and that would allow all kinds of neat discreet log contract magic
15:07 < sipa> s/disabled/doesn't exist/
15:07 < sipa> :)
15:08 < sipa> disabled sounds like it could be re-enabled somehow
15:08 < nick_freeman> how insane would it be to do segwit like softfork for this?
15:08 < sipa> bip-tapscript introduces a very flexible way to introduce new opcodes (OP_SUCCESSx)
15:09 < nick_freeman> sweeet
15:09 < sipa> also, you're talking in #bitcoin-wizards here, not to me in PM
15:09 < nick_freeman> yes like always :D  the client confuses the heck out of me
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18:13 < DeanGuss> someone just told me a bit about rsa accumulators.  In such a "blockchain", how does one tell if you have a correct copy of the ledger? or is that why these chains don't exist yet?
18:21 < sipa> rsa accumulators are a cryptographic primitive, not a blockchain
18:21 < sipa> in the same way that a signature is not a blockchain
18:22 < sipa> there are probably a dozen ways in which you can use accumulators as part of a design
18:24 < DeanGuss> anyway to make the blockchain super small? where I guess the point being you don't even need all the transactions to verify the chain
18:26 < DeanGuss> if I could check whether any hash (say of a tx) is in the accumulator - I was kind of imaging the accumulator itself as the blockchain which needs to be exchanged, then the "light clients" can check whether their transactions are really there but just need a tiny data structure.  I guess maybe the nodes who want to verify still need all transactions though.  Nevermind :(
18:31 < kanzure> https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/tel-aviv-2019/edgedevplusplus/accumulators/
18:36 < meshcollider> DeanGuss: given just the accumulator, even if transactions provided proofs that UTXOs are in there, I don't think there is a way to prove that the accumulator was constructed honestly since the genesis block without actually reconstructing it yourself
18:39 < DeanGuss> thanks for your thoughts (and link)
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