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intervals, now not one in 50min. 02:10 -!- jonatack [~jon@87-231-197-177.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:17 -!- devdsp [~devdsp@89.238.178.75] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07 < waxwing> Jmabsd, #bitcoin please 03:08 -!- IGHOR [~quassel@93.178.216.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:10 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:12 < Jmabsd> waxwing: how do you differentiate queries between #bitcoin and here 03:13 < waxwing> Jmabsd, see the topic. discussion of theoretical ideas, not of current bitcoin. 03:13 < Jmabsd> ah ic 03:13 < Jmabsd> waxwing: had missed it, thanks for pointing out. 03:13 < waxwing> the main reason it matters is only because people keep logs of this and if it's full of stuff that's just general bitcoin it'll be hard to find the material that's relevant. 03:18 -!- nick_fre_ 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#bitcoin-wizards 07:34 < elichai2> Current bitcoin multisig tolerates up to n-k malicious parties, right? (in a k of n scheme) 07:35 < elichai2> i.e. if you have 3 of 5, then if up to 2 parties did something malicious(i.e. giving a bad key) you can still recover the funds, but if more then n-k do then you're sutck 07:35 < elichai2> *stuck 07:36 < instagibbs> giving a bad key, meaning they cannot sign for themselves? 07:36 < instagibbs> that's an attack i guess, but yeah 07:40 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:42 < sarang> Isn't the assumption of `k` available parties implicit in all threshold constructions? 07:43 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:46 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46 < sipa> elichai2: you can have policies like 3-of-5 that degrade into 2-of-5 after some time, for example 07:48 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:51 < elichai2> sipa: aren't you in vacation? lol 07:52 < elichai2> instagibbs: yeah. in a threshold scheme you might not trust everyone involved, even for them to give valid keys 07:59 < instagibbs> elichai2, you were asking about current bitcoin multisig, but perhaps I don't know what you're actually asking 08:00 -!- ogelbukh [~ogelbukh@195.206.183.79] has quit [] 08:01 -!- emilengler_ is now known as emilengler 08:02 < elichai2> current bitcoin multisig is also a threshold scheme. where everyone gives their public keys and agree on a threshold 08:03 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:04 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:06 < sipa> elichai2: oops, right 08:09 -!- PaulTroon [~paultroon@h-5-150-248-150.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@107.181.189.46] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:20 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e35:8aba:8220:6627:dad:d967:649d] has quit [Quit: jonatack] 08:24 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [] 08:31 -!- roconnor [~roconnor@host-184-164-24-176.dyn.295.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:31 -!- PaulTroon [~paultroon@h-5-150-248-150.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:33 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e35:8aba:8220:6627:dad:d967:649d] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:38 -!- PaulTroon [~paultroon@h-5-150-248-150.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:47 -!- alct [~alct@185.169.255.76] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:56 -!- jtimon [~quassel@22.133.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:59 < pinheadmz> in message signing, why do we offset the recid by a value of 27 ? Is there a reason that number was selected? 09:00 -!- kcalvinalvin [~kcalvinal@ec2-52-78-185-246.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:10 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:14 -!- PaulTroon [~paultroon@h-5-150-248-150.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:17 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:26 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:32 -!- justanotheruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:52 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:00 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:03 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@200116b820c66000a4dfd7b3ff953113.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:19 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:19 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:25 -!- captjakk [~captjakk@135.84.167.51] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:32 < nsh> pinheadmz, "Frankly, I just picked a range of numbers whose binary representation wouldn't easily collide with those of addresses (0, 111), secret keys (128, 239), public keys (2-7) or signatures (48). At the time, I didn't really expect it to end up in the message signing feature eventually." -- https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5082/why-do-compact-signatures-need-to-start-with-a-byte-27-35 10:32 < nsh> oh no, that's another matter 10:32 < nsh> cf. https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/38351/ecdsa-v-r-s-what-is-v 10:36 < pinheadmz> nsh: yeah "I'll try to write a full answer later." -- was hoping to dig something up 10:37 < pinheadmz> avoiding collision with other prefixes makes sense, ty 10:41 < nsh> i think it might be standard part of pubkey recovery for secp256k1 10:43 < nsh> but as sipa says in the link above, you can also use 28,29,30 and get different points/keys 10:43 < nsh> so i guess it relates to the arithmetic 10:44 < nsh> 27 is the coefficient of b^2 in the Weierstrass form of the curve, which may not be a coincidence 10:45 < nsh> or rather a, b ∈ Fp satisfy 4a^3 + 27b^2 mod p is not 0 10:45 < nsh> which is maybe more coincidental seeming. 10:45 < nsh> in short, i have no idea :) 10:54 -!- captjakk [~captjakk@135.84.167.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56 -!- PaulTroon [~paultroon@h-5-150-248-150.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56 < nsh> (27 is a magic number for cubic surfaces in general) 11:00 -!- alct [~alct@185.169.255.76] has quit [] 11:09 -!- PaulTroon [~paultroon@h-5-150-248-150.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:10 -!- EmmyNoether [~EmmyNoeth@oasys.ch0wn.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:10 < nsh> .t https://twitter.com/johncarlosbaez/status/1029555779152408581 11:10 < EmmyNoether> This image by Greg Egan illustrates the amazing "Cayley–Salmon theorem": any smooth complex cubic surface contains 27 straight lines! // In this example all the lines lie in real 3-dimensional space, not just complex 3d space. // (continued) https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/Dkm2_VLVAAAt_IV.mp4 (@johncarlosbaez) 11:14 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:15 -!- nigel_c [~nigel_c@195.206.169.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:17 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:17 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:28 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:38 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@200116b820c66000a4dfd7b3ff953113.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:40 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@200116b820c66000a4dfd7b3ff953113.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:55 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@200116b820c66000a4dfd7b3ff953113.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@200116b820c66000a4dfd7b3ff953113.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:07 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11 -!- captjakk [~captjakk@135.84.167.51] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:12 -!- captjakk [~captjakk@135.84.167.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12 -!- captjakk [~captjakk@135.84.167.51] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:16 -!- captjakk [~captjakk@135.84.167.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:27 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@200116b820c66000a4dfd7b3ff953113.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@mue-88-130-7-103.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:33 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:38 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:39 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:39 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:43 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@mue-88-130-7-103.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@200116b820c66000a4dfd7b3ff953113.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:57 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:00 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@200116b820c66000a4dfd7b3ff953113.dip.versatel-1u1.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@mue-88-130-7-103.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:06 -!- PaulTroon [~paultroon@h-5-150-248-150.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:10 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@mue-88-130-7-103.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:25 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:26 -!- justanotheruser [justanothe@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Here is a link for a draft of a BIP for compact probabilistic block 13:59 < tochka4_> filters alternative of BIP 158 13:59 < tochka4_> https://github.com/bitaps-com/bips/blob/master/bip-block-batch-filters.mediawiki 13:59 < tochka4_> https://github.com/bitaps-com/bips/blob/master/bip-mempool-transactions-filters.mediawiki 13:59 < tochka4_> please take a look 13:59 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:00 -!- nigel_c [~nigel_c@195.206.169.238] has quit [] 14:04 -!- jb551 is now known as jb55 14:24 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@107.181.189.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:45 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:46 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:47 -!- Alphi [~Alphi@195.206.169.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:51 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:52 -!- marcoagner [~user@bl13-225-206.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:54 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:55 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:01 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:22 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28 -!- koshii [~mike@c-68-38-246-130.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:43 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:01 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:59 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00 -!- Alphi [~Alphi@195.206.169.238] has quit [] 18:13 -!- wgolden [~wgolden@185.204.1.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:57 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:09 -!- emilengler [~emilengle@unaffiliated/emilengler] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:16 -!- emilengler [~emilengle@unaffiliated/emilengler] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:20 -!- tochka4_ [~tochka4@109.195.21.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21 -!- tochka4 [~tochka4@109.195.21.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:25 -!- tochka4 [~tochka4@109.195.21.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:52 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:52 -!- Belkaar_ [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-79-43-234.nc.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:00 -!- wgolden [~wgolden@185.204.1.185] has quit [] 20:17 -!- BjarniRunar1 [~BjarniRun@185.204.1.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:14 -!- tochka4 [~tochka4@109.195.21.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:36 -!- tochka4 [~tochka4@109.195.21.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@i577A3D0C.versanet.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:00 -!- BjarniRunar1 [~BjarniRun@185.204.1.185] has quit [] 23:02 -!- stanimal3 is now known as stanimal 23:04 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:07 -!- jtimon [~quassel@22.133.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:09 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:16 -!- tochka4 [~tochka4@2002:6dc3:1526:0:cd0:ff39:c4c:9bb8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:42 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:48 -!- thrasher` [~thrasher@unaffiliated/thrasher/x-7291870] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:49 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:51 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Thu Oct 03 00:00:28 2019