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M7918070_[m]> Is it possible to construct a PoW algorithm with more or less strong guarantees of ASIC and FPGA resistance? 04:02 < M7918070_[m]> Like, theoretically - if it were trivial, it'd already have been done. But is it theoretically possible to make an algorithm for which consumer-grade computer hardware is provably the most efficient way to mine it? 04:02 < M7918070_[m]> There was RandomX which is essentially random opcodes, but it doesn't have too much branching and could concievably fall victim to NetBurst-style ASICs. Would something like an IO-hard PoW algo be conceivable? 04:03 < M7918070_[m]> like, you compute x = H(seed) modulo current size of blockchain 04:03 < M7918070_[m]> where H is memory-hard 04:03 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:b034:d3b6:3846:8db5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:b034:d3b6:3846:8db5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:04 < M7918070_[m]> you then read 32 bytes from blockchain[x] into x' 04:04 < M7918070_[m]> x = H(x') mod blockchain size 04:04 < M7918070_[m]> x' = blockchain[x:x+32] 04:04 < M7918070_[m]> and so on and so forth for a defined number of iterations 04:04 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:05 < M7918070_[m]> Like, the exact same way scrypt or argon2 or ethash or whatnot works, but with the blockchain as scratchpad. 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