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01:41 < nickler> By my own estimation for 120+ bits of security the number of parallel sessions should be around 512 (but I did that was before the paper was published, perhaps they arrive at more accurate numbers) https://gist.github.com/jonasnick/28836e8754870d938ea838cd2323bdd8
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01:42 < nickler> Afaik Wasabi uses the naive, Wagnerable version but they're saying forgery would not allow for more than DoS-ing a round.
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16:07 < ZmnSCPxj> My use-case is reasonably near to Wasabi use-case, so what is the reasoning behind the forgery-safeness?
16:08 < ZmnSCPxj> In essence, as the output-demander Bob, if the server gets more Bobs than Alices, the round is failed and no transaction is built.
16:08 < ZmnSCPxj> And forging a signature means I can make more Bobs than Alices.
16:09 < ZmnSCPxj> Would that be correct?
16:09 < ZmnSCPxj> So someone using a Wagner forgery would only be able to get more outputs if some user did not claim an output, otherwise it just causes the round to fail and thus DoS.
16:10 < ZmnSCPxj> And since rounds are time-bound and have a liveness requirement, that is unlikely
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16:32 < gmaxwell> Can't it result in theft?  I get an extra signture, show up with it, and DOS the server just hard enough that it doesn't get the last participant before closing the round and announcing the transaction.
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17:16 < ZmnSCPxj> If the last participant never managed to send a signature, it will not sign the CoinJoin transaction in the first place
17:17 < ZmnSCPxj> because the CoinJoin transaction would not have an output going to itself
17:18 < ZmnSCPxj> so it would not have any reason to authorize the CoinJoin transaction that takes its money if it will not get the same money back.
17:20 < ZmnSCPxj> Chaumian CoinJoin goes: (1) register inputs and get blinded signatures (2) register outputs by presenting unblinded signature (3) server creates CoinJoin tx (4) participants sign off CoinJoin tx if their output exists on it.
17:20 < ZmnSCPxj> So only DoS, not theft.
17:21 < ZmnSCPxj> the later step stops the theft
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17:48 < gmaxwell> oh derp. right.
17:48 < gmaxwell> okay I agree in that case blind signature insecurity is probably not a big deal.
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