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Besides the current lack of battle testing, are there any reasonable arguments against using a recursive proof for speeding up IBD? 02:49 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:56 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 02:57 -!- bitcoin-wizards2 [b9755809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.117.88.9] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 02:59 -!- bitcoin-wizards2 [b9755809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.117.88.9] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:05 -!- bitcoin-wizards2 [b9755809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.117.88.9] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 03:09 < tromp> it's a tradeoff; MUCH less verification effort (both in size and time), at the cost of possibly weaker security assumptions and significantly higher risk of implementation bugs 03:09 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:10 < tromp> seems like an obvious improvement for SPV clients 03:16 < sanket1729_> I don't know how feasible the prover time is. 03:36 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37 -!- _whitelogger [~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:42 < sanket1729_> I think proof composition is working for (relatively) simpler statements like recursive SHA256 PoW checks, but not checking the internal signatures/scripts transactions in the block. 03:45 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:56 -!- bitcoin-wizards2 [b9755809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.117.88.9] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:56 < bitcoin-wizards2> Secp256k1/SHA256 isn't zk-friendly, but hardware will eventually catch up with prover CPU requirements. 03:57 < bitcoin-wizards2> Meanwhile, monthly/weekly crowd sourced proofs, or distributed generation could also a possibility: https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/691 03:57 < bitcoin-wizards2> But yeah, if bugs are ironed out, initially an obvious improvement for SPV clients? 03:58 < sanket1729_> I think even for efficiency there is a tradeoff. 03:58 < bitcoin-wizards2> What do you mean? 04:00 < sanket1729_> We are talking about improving the verification time for best header check, right? 04:00 -!- tromp [~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:1dff:8058:a94e:de9f] has quit [] 04:01 < sanket1729_> I think that is already very fast. It's just sha256d checks times the number of blocks 04:02 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:03 < sanket1729_> I ran the Halo implementation on 32 core machine and the verification takes a concrete ~36 seconds constant which is still slower than ~600k sha256d computations. 04:04 < sanket1729_> Verfication for recursive bitcoin block header check. 04:04 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:07 < sanket1729_> I guess what I mean to say it is solving something that is not a problem. 04:07 -!- surja795 [~surja795@c-24-61-194-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:07 < sanket1729_> It would be great if the circuit actually included the checks the signatures and other block checks. 04:08 -!- mauz555 [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:9c09:7e12:30c0:810] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:08 -!- mauz555_ [~mauz555@2a01:e0a:56d:9090:2882:b91c:2d39:f995] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:08 < bitcoin-wizards2> Yes, would require signature checks for solving IBD time 04:08 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:09 < sanket1729_> I think encoding the block verification logic in a practical r1cs circuit is itself a challenge. 04:14 < sanket1729_> But I agree, if everything were pratically doable :) , it is an improvement for SPV clients. 04:18 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:19 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31 -!- bitcoin-wizards2 [b9755809@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.117.88.9] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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