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09:14 < jeremyrubin> Doin an AMA on CTV today if anyone here cares to pose any questions https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/gwjr8p/i_am_jeremy_rubin_the_author_of_bip119_ctv_ama/
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09:39 < fluffypony> for a moment I was like "there's a Crypto TV channel?"
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09:41 < jeremyrubin> fluffypony: there *should* be
09:41 < fluffypony> right?
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18:21 < ariard> is anyone aware of research identifying miners or mining-pool full-nodes ?
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18:27 < yanmaani> ariard: Identifying how?
18:27 < yanmaani> You mean distinguishing?
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18:45 < ariard> yanmaani: I mean can I build such a map of all miners full-nodes and being sure I grasp 95% of them ?
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18:45 < ariard> or at least the subset who is likely to mine a block in the next few blocks
18:45 < sipa> ariard: they may not be reachable
18:46 < sipa> i have no idea whether that's the case in reality, but if i were a miner, i'd run a fun totally normal full nodes on geographically separated locations, and then have my actual mining node only connect out to those
18:46 < sipa> fun -> number of
18:47 < zmnscpxj__> sipa: interesting typo
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18:48 < ariard> sipa: but they do receive transactions somehow with entry points? can you map those points
18:48 < sipa> how would you identify them?
18:48 < ariard> like by creating conflicts in these mempools and observing conflicts tainting blocks
18:48 < zmnscpxj__> presumably they broadcast blocks earlier than others
18:49 < ariard> zmnscpxj__: right, that can be another heuristic, but they may dissociate block-relay from tx-relay
18:50 < zmnscpxj__> not sure that would be wise: miners want their blocks to be known ASAP, thus expected to do as much block-relay as possible
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18:51 < zmnscpxj__> so if they are running *some* fullnode, they have every incentive to do block-relay via that fullnode for their own blocks
18:51 < ariard> according to Matt you can't observe this from Fibre
18:51 < zmnscpxj__> possibly; Matt probably knows better about block-relay
18:51 < ariard> I've not spent time to verify this assertion and I'm quite-sure no one has done such research on Fibre
18:51 < sipa> fibre will beat normal block propagation every time
18:52 < ariard> so looking on other heuristic like provoking conflicts in assumed miners mempools
18:52 < zmnscpxj__> you could treat Fibre as a single node that every miner has an incentive to connect to
18:53 < ariard> right, what I'm looking for is creating conflict partition, and therefore doing mempool-pinning only on miners mempools
18:53 < ariard> and let the other side of the network ignorant about such pinned tx
18:53 < zmnscpxj__> seems like a feasible attack
18:54 < ariard> sadly yes, most of miners are signing their block so you should be able to identify them
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20:32 < jrayhawk> greg's xiph userdir is gone; does anyone know where to find his "so fucked" private asicboost discovery chatlog from 2017?
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20:42 < aj> jrayhawk: wayback machine?
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