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to Bitcoin, so this is purely a thought experiment, but please bear with me for the sake of potential future research. 08:15 < t-bast> My intuition is that chameleon hashing would provide an interesting sighash flag. 08:16 < t-bast> One could commit to the hash pubkey that should be used when hashing (probably in script). 08:16 < t-bast> Then an off-chain protocol (LN or anything else) could use the corresponding private key to update commit txs, while ensuring the hash is the same (by the property of the chameleon hash) - and could even be the same as the funding tx. 08:16 < t-bast> That seems to provide a sighash_noinput/anyprevout that's more restrictive (less footgun?) than the current proposals. 08:16 < t-bast> For LN some kind of threshold chameleon hashing would be needed, so that both sides of the channel need to collaborate to produce a new commit tx that has the same hash as previous ones. 08:16 < t-bast> This may be using a huge hammer to squash a fly (and maybe it doesn't add anything useful to sighash_noinput/anyprevout), but I felt like sharing that brain dump xD 08:26 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ebngoejifsfjwjoc] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:29 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:30 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:30 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:3098:b100:4d57:eba:a77:eef5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:42 -!- Kiminuo [~mix@141.98.103.180] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:43 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:58 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.111] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:59 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:02 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11 -!- Noldorin [~noldorin@unaffiliated/noldorin] has 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09:55 < jeremyrubin> Another compelling use case could be being able to erase sighash flags via sanitizing signatures. E.g., if my original sighash is SINGLE it leaks info but maybe I can rebind the signature to a sighash all knowing the trapdoor 09:56 < jeremyrubin> Can the trapdoor function be MPC'd efficiently? 09:56 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.111] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:07 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@191.35.63.54] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:08 < sanket1729> What is it that chameleon hashes can do that can't be done by regular signature delegations? 10:11 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@ip-178-214.ists.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:12 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:12 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:3098:b100:4d57:eba:a77:eef5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:3098:b100:4d57:eba:a77:eef5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:17 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@ip-178-214.ists.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:02 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@ip-178-214.ists.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:09 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@ip-178-214.ists.pl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:15 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:22 -!- zepheiryan [~zepheirya@217.138.204.90] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:53 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@191.35.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:55 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2a84:fb44:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:56 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 11:56 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:58 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-213-127-94-38.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:06 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-213-127-94-38.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:08 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:3098:b100:4d57:eba:a77:eef5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:3098:b100:4d57:eba:a77:eef5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:10 -!- tromp_ [~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:fd3d:def6:c15d:f8dc] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:10 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-213-127-94-38.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:11 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:3098:b100:4d57:eba:a77:eef5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:3098:b100:4d57:eba:a77:eef5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:42 -!- tromp_ [~tromp@2a02:a210:ca3:2800:fd3d:def6:c15d:f8dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:58 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:01 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-213-127-94-38.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:05 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:05 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:07 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:09 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:09 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:14 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:27 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:36 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:41 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:50 -!- troygiorshev [~troygiors@CPEdcef09a0ed55-CM0c473d74be00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00 -!- zepheiryan [~zepheirya@217.138.204.90] has quit [] 14:15 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:22 -!- Kiminuo [~mix@141.98.103.180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:22 -!- flo1 [~flo@94.229.74.91] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:30 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30 -!- mappum [~mappum@89.45.90.202] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:32 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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