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i think the quanta magazine article does a good job describing the state of iO prior to this paper ... my old phd supervisor was one of the original iO people and i've seen him give talks 08:04 < andytoshi> and he'd always get an awkward "but...this isn't actually a thing right?" type question 08:09 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:20 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:22 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:29 -!- limpkin1 [~limpkin@178.239.168.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:31 < andytoshi> i thought (and this part of why i dropped out of the phd program) that iO was actually impossible because it implied things that were too good to be true 08:31 < andytoshi> and i don't think this was an uncommon view 08:48 -!- Frost [~Frost@178.162.212.214] has joined 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really grokked), and then used fully homomorphic encryption to lever from 10:13 < andytoshi> this to all programs 10:14 < andytoshi> so good luck doing more than xor'ing a few bits in that model :) 10:15 < andytoshi> but then eprint.iacr.org/2013/454.pdf which was a huge "how to use iO to do basically everything including otherwise-impossible stuff" paper... 10:15 < andytoshi> ...which is not only doing complex cryptography inside of the obfuscator, it's using these bizarre special-purpose "punctured PRG" constructions which are themselves super heavy, even before obfuscation 10:19 -!- vtnerd [~vtnerd@50-81-138-206.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:25 -!- Guyver2_ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:28 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:28 < andytoshi> haha some wikipedia editor seems to hate iO. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indistinguishability_obfuscation and also the talk page 10:33 -!- 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