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While I have studied other areas of cryptography, I have not yet devoted anything beyond cursory reading on FHE. I try to avoid the situation of reading the literature chronologically because that would inevitably involve studying currently-apparent-dead-ends and then later on 11:35 < fltrz> reading that its considered a dead end / abandoned. (I'm aware insights, tricks and techniques may be revived, but I don't think I want to include this for getting up to speed, I'd rather learn those avenues as they get revived)) 11:37 < fltrz> I don't find many books on FHE, and since the young field seems to be moving quite rapidly, I fear that most books would be significantly outdated. If someone could ask around say some teachers or professors for a reading list I would highly appreciate it. 11:39 < fltrz> Another more specific question, have FHE "figures of merit" been identified? Have objective figures of merit and their tradeoffs been mapped? 11:39 -!- meshcollider [meshcollid@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-cohaxdkcyarvqtaz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:40 < fltrz> Alternatively, should I just take the wikipedia page's reference on implementations, and recursively get the mentioned papers? 11:41 < fltrz> Another question: how thoroughly understood is the hardness of Ring Learning With Errors? 11:51 < uiuc-slack> I would recommend reading Craig Gentry's PhD thesis on FHE 11:52 < uiuc-slack> PhD thesis tend to have all the backgrpund necessary to understand the topic at hand 11:58 -!- Setherson [~Setherson@108-255-110-61.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:06 -!- meshcollider [meshcollid@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-krcbvlexiytkhjit] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:21 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@78-22-87-51.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:26 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@78-22-87-51.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:28 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:29 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:46 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@78-22-87-51.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:57 < fltrz> uiuc-slack, thanks! 12:59 < fltrz> uiuc-slack, thats solid advice, but it *is* not a complete reading list, it describes his FHE system, and its from 2009, according to wikipedia a lot has happened since then 13:06 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@78-22-87-51.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:21 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:25 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:25 -!- pinheadmz [~pinheadmz@68.161.139.178] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:26 -!- son0p [~son0p@181.136.122.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:28 -!- son0p [~son0p@181.136.122.143] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:29 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-1-11.leed-a-2.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:32 -!- laptop_ [~laptop@ppp-3-140.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:37 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 13:37 -!- pinheadmz [~pinheadmz@68.161.139.178] has quit [Quit: pinheadmz] 13:51 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 13:58 -!- pinheadmz [~pinheadmz@68.161.139.178] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:32 < uiuc-slack> second of all there is this monotonic property with op_checklocktimeverify that seems to hold, this is "reorg safety", what i mean is: once an honest transaction becomes valid according to op_checklocktimeverify, it is also valid in every other fork of that height Basically once the time is valid in a block, it's also going to be valid in subsequent blocks This "reorg safety" is separate from the previous one 14:32 < uiuc-slack> that bitcoin devs have stuck to but I think it's overrated 14:33 -!- Setherson [~Setherson@108-255-110-61.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:34 -!- pinheadmz [~pinheadmz@68.161.139.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:41 -!- pinheadmz [~pinheadmz@68.161.139.178] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:50 -!- dllud [~dllud@unaffiliated/dllud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55 -!- dllud [~dllud@unaffiliated/dllud] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:02 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:04 < uiuc-slack> Can't you just have probabilistic bounds on reorg safety as opposed to definite reorg safety as you describe? 15:05 < uiuc-slack> There's always a possibility that Bitcoin itself (and most definitely its forks) may reorg 15:10 < uiuc-slack> you can have probabilistic bounds yes, like you can applly Bitcoin Backbone to know that you can wait for k blocks and get any k bits of security in your guarantee it wont fork 15:12 < uiuc-slack> there's a kind of non-robustness to this though in that to do this, you have to pick parameters for \Alpha the adversary power as well as the network delay 15:18 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:26 -!- fltrz [~fltrz@109.236.129.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32 -!- andytoshi [~apoelstra@unaffiliated/andytoshi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:33 -!- son0p [~son0p@181.136.122.143] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:45 -!- fltrz [~fltrz@109.236.129.101] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:45 < fltrz> hi, my firefox had memory leak... I noticed someone said something, and since i recently asked a question, was it a reply to me? 15:45 < fltrz> nm I see theres logs 16:10 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:15 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:55 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:58 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:01 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:01 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:06 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: musalbas, nkuttler, hodlwave, meshcollider, json_188, berndj, maluk, esotericnonsense, dgrove, niftynei, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 17:06 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-riqmsnqimgkkbaby] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: esotericnonsense, nkuttler 17:07 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:08 < uiuc-slack> Wouldn't that be a bit of a problem if you want an oracle a la uniswap v2? 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