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working on or has anyone heard about any projects related to a BIP340 compatible implementation of FROST? 08:47 -!- jnsu [~jnsu@2601:647:5a01:6e90:2c58:48d3:e0ce:31ce] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:49 < roconnor> threshold signatures? 08:50 < jesseposner> yea: https://crysp.uwaterloo.ca/software/frost/ 08:50 < jesseposner> FROST has some nice tricks to reduce rounds versus the prior iterations of Schnorr threshold signing. 08:57 < nickler> jesseposner: haven't heard of any project doing this, but would be interesting 09:00 -!- Kiminuo [~Kiminuo@141.98.103.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:08 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.164.30.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:09 < jesseposner> nickler: thanks, I'm considering taking this on but want to see what else might already be in the works 09:10 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.164.30.247] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:18 -!- Kiminuo [~Kiminuo@141.98.103.148] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:19 < nickler> jesseposner: let me know if you do :) 09:20 < jesseposner> nickler: will do! 09:40 -!- asoltys [~root@s207-81-214-2.bc.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:48 -!- asoltys [~root@s207-81-214-2.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:49 -!- jnsu [~jnsu@2601:647:5a01:6e90:2c58:48d3:e0ce:31ce] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55 -!- jnsu [~jnsu@2601:647:5a01:6e90:2c58:48d3:e0ce:31ce] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:59 -!- jnsu [~jnsu@2601:647:5a01:6e90:2c58:48d3:e0ce:31ce] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:06 -!- Kiminuo [~Kiminuo@141.98.103.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:20 -!- jadi [~jadi@213.207.197.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22 -!- jadi [~jadi@213.207.197.172] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:23 -!- jnsu [~jnsu@2601:647:5a01:6e90:2c58:48d3:e0ce:31ce] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:28 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:35 -!- Kiminuo [~Kiminuo@141.98.103.148] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:46 -!- Guyver2_ 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No miner would ignore it, right? And if they do, it's basically selfish mining, but for free. 16:02 < yanmaani> So either they'd build on it, or I'd get the benefits of selfish mining without being thwarted by SPY mining. 16:02 < yanmaani> And if 2h1m is OK, why isn't 2h30m? If 2h30m is OK, why isn't 2 months? 16:03 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-176-141-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:05 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-176-141-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:16 -!- mryandao_ [~mryandao@gateway/tor-sasl/mryandao] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:17 -!- mryandao [~mryandao@gateway/tor-sasl/mryandao] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:20 -!- Jeremy_Rand_DT[m [jeremyra1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ekigzzrpszcmjnxj] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:21 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:24 < queip> yanmaani: afaik all miners/pool will ignore blocks from far future 16:24 < queip> if they mine a block 10h into future, then during 8 hours users will prefer any other valid block 16:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25 -!- Jeremy_Rand_DT[m [jeremyra1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-enlzwziefjzaksck] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:40 -!- laptop [~laptop@ppp-2-161.leed-a-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:45 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:51 < rusty> Yes, code allows +2h IIRC. And since miners' clocks will differ slightly, best not to explore the edge. 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