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In this specific contract, using a personal signing server" 15:35 < jeremyrubin> personal signing server -- e.g., your own 15:49 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:54 -!- son0p [~son0p@181.136.122.143] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:01 -!- really2 [~justafrie@138.199.52.66] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:01 -!- jnsu [~jnsu@2601:647:5a01:6e90:f18a:2431:9575:26e6] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:05 -!- really2 [~justafrie@138.199.52.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06 -!- really2 [~justafrie@138.199.52.66] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:06 -!- jnsu [~jnsu@2601:647:5a01:6e90:f18a:2431:9575:26e6] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11 -!- really2 [~justafrie@138.199.52.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:31 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:36 -!- really2 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