--- Log opened Sun Apr 18 00:00:29 2021 00:42 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:12 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:18 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22 < tromp> waxwing: there is https://forum.grin.mw/t/mimblewimble-coinswap-proposal (not applicable to bitcoin though) 01:30 -!- jadi [~jadi@37.98.3.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:36 -!- T-Junk [~T-Junk@178.239.168.171] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51 -!- wltjr1 [~wltjr@195.140.213.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:18 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:51 -!- smartineng [~Icedove@88.135.18.171] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:51 -!- smartineng [~Icedove@88.135.18.171] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:52 -!- smartineng [~Icedove@88.135.18.171] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:58 -!- jadi [~jadi@37.98.3.133] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:03 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:39 < real_or_random> waxwing: yes, unfortunately. expect maybe for https://github.com/ElementsProject/dicemix/blob/master/doc/protocol.md which is a draft that describes a variant (one round more but much simpler) 04:41 < real_or_random> but I wrote this in 2018 when I planned to work on coinshuffle 04:42 < real_or_random> so there's nothing wrong with this and I had a few more optimizations in mind but all of this slipped out of my focus with the work on signatures 04:46 < real_or_random> waxwing: given that a few years passed, what do you think how it compares to other mixing techniques that have been improved over time? 04:49 < real_or_random> I didn't really follow the privacy space closely in the past years, so I don't know how JoinMarket, other CoinJoin implementations and coinswap improved over time? Also, has anyone deployed TumbleBit or something similar on Bitcoin? 04:49 < waxwing> real_or_random, i really don't know. i'm thinking about researching it as probably the most likely replacement for our existing coordination mechanism in JM, but that is totally "blue-sky" thinking right now. 04:50 < waxwing> have you looked at Wabisabi at all? it's pretty interesting. 04:50 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50 < real_or_random> Ah yes, I did a review of their writeup 04:50 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:51 < waxwing> tumblebit had an implementation but i think it never got traction. basically it's wasabi, samourai and JM in terms of coinjoin. 04:51 < real_or_random> By the way, I wasn't even aware that Decred implemented dicemix. Interesting, they took the "light" variant even though it says "This document is a working draft." which for crypto means "don't use it". But okay, that's how it works and I'm not responsible. ^^ 04:52 < waxwing> so chaumian server-based and then samourai i'm not sure of all the details but they focus on all equal-in equal-out models afaik (it's also server based) 04:52 < waxwing> right please do read it, if i get more concretely interested i will want to know your review of that :) 04:53 < waxwing> i emphasize the word 'please' since i realize you may not have time and are busy with other stuff :) 04:54 < real_or_random> I think if you trust Tor anyway, then a Chaumian thing is much simpler than Dicemix and gives you same in the end. 04:57 < real_or_random> I think CoinShuffle++ really shines when have CT because the two really combine naturally 05:09 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@ptr-g0z44ts7vng94icd4oc.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:36 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:43 -!- wltjr1 [~wltjr@195.140.213.38] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59 -!- [LE] [~LE]@139.28.218.148] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:05 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:25 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 07:26 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:36 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 09:00 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@h-13-35.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:23 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:58 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@ptr-g0z44ts7vng94icd4oc.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:27 -!- Guyver2_ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:30 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:45 -!- Guyver2__ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:48 -!- Guyver2_ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:54 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:55 -!- jonahg [uid475522@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qzrilzcaxfivoomm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:55 -!- copumpkin [~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:23 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 11:25 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:28 -!- Guyver2_ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:31 -!- Guyver2__ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:07 -!- Guyver2_ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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